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Losing fights at end of career: how does it affect a legacy?
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There are different levels of loses, just like there are different levels of wins 'When Evander Holyfield lost to Rid**** Bowe I, it was one of his best performances ever. In a all-time great Heavyweight title fight. Both the victor and the losing fighter, at times in boxing leave the battle with a increased prestige universally'.
In my opinion fighters such as Mike Tyson and Muhammad Ali, really don't have any bad loses in their resumes 'We know why they lost, and right up until there was no more to give. They fought like gladiator's inside of the ring'.
When Mike Tyson fought Danny Williams 'Williams hit Tyson with a 28 punch combination, before eventually Mike Tyson was knocked down to the canvas. Even after such a heavy offensive bombardment, Tyson was still very conscious and very aware on the canvas. But at this point in the fight, he was managing a injured knee. Which was one of the main factors in my opinion, which allowed Danny Williams back into the fight'.
Note: In all of Mike Tyson's fights, there were always moments where he showed flashes of Iron Mike Tyson. Whether this was during late 80's, early 90's, mid-90's or 2000's 'All of Mike Tyson's opponent's where always apprehensive, even during the latter stages of his career. It was always a serious and monumental challenge, to attempt to try and beat Mike Tyson at any point in his career. And for those fighters that were able to beat him, they had to almost all of the time? Produce their best performances, and contrary to certain narratives. Mike Tyson never just disappeared when he encountered resistance inside the boxing ring, he fought like a Gladiator until there was no more'.
I watched Mike Tyson fight Lennox Lewis 'We saw flashes of Iron Mike Tyson in the first round. But there on after that round, Tyson stylistically was clearly in a fight which would of been extremely difficult challenge for him at any point in his career'.
I never witnessed Mike Tyson voluntary take a backwards step in that fight, now listen? Many people may just pass over that statement which I have just made about Tyson 'And they won't really understand why I have said it. Mike Tyson was not a super heavyweight, he was in there against Lennox Lewis who is potentially the greatest super heavyweight fighters of all-time. Tyson was systematically being beaten up, but even still he never voluntary consciously decided to take a step backwards. Tyson may have been pushed back, or stood still at times and become static, but he never decided to retreat backwards'.
That type of innate determination, can be seen a lot more in nature. It can be upsetting depending on your level of compassion, but it is also inspiring 'Because that is courage. No matter how improbable victory may be, or how futile a fighters efforts are. Some people just fight, because that is all they know'.
When David Haye fought Tony Bellew I 'David Haye unfortunately injured his leg in the 6th round. Haye at this point in the fight, instinctually understood maybe this was his opportunity to prove that he was a gladiator beyond doubt. At that stage in David Haye's career, certain folk within the boxing community were still trying to mock Haye for his performance vs Wladimir Kiltschko, and excuses he made after that fight with his injured toe. David Haye during his career, had already achieved incredible feats such as becoming the Lineal and Unified Cruiserweight World Champion. And only the second sentient being in history of mankind to move up from Cruiserweight Boxing Division to become a World Heavyweight Champion'.
7th November 2009 'David Haye fought Nikola Valuev, in a fight were he was being out weighed by 7 stone. Haye weighed in at 218 pounds, vs Valuev 315 pounds. The total the weight differential in pounds between the two fighters was 98 pounds. The fight was billed as David vs Goliath'.
By the time David Haye fought Tony Bellew I 'Haye really only had one more thing to prove beyond doubt in the sport. That he was gladiator, of a very high level. The night he fought Toney Bellew I, that was the feat of achievement which David Haye proved. Round after round with a severely injured leg, David Haye was still fighting to win. Haye lost the fight, but it was also one of his greatest ever moments, as a pure fighter. It was a Gladiators redemption'.
To conclude: When I witness fighters losing fights in this manner, I personally don't think it takes away from their legacy or resume 'Because it actually shows a different attribute of their competitiveness, and fighting ability'.
Muhammad Ali when he fought Larry Holmes, he was like Superman without his powers 'All he had left was his courage. People within Muhammad Ali's training camp, must of known that he really should not of been fighting. Muhammad Ali still believed he could win, he still had faith in himself. Because he was a Gladiator'.
So, as I stated at the beginning of the post. There are different levels of wins, and losses. Surely people in the boxing community and society, can understand that? In life your efforts matter, in whatever competitive domain or battle you are fighting' etc.
Last edited by PRINCEKOOL; 10-26-2024, 11:26 AM.Legends456 likes this.
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