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  • Beterbiev Versus Bivol: Why all the hate?

    My own opinion about the fight is that it could have gone either way, depending on what was emphasized in the scoring... I want to briefly make a case for Beter... At least to show this was no robbery. I am not going to score the fight! I am doing this from a different perspective. I value those who score fights, but often, just counting shots is little more than glorified punch stat info. My interest is what actually happened, who displayed dominance, more skill, more damage, to the opponent, whom was damaged, etc.

    Before the fight started: Lets assume both men were "champions" of the same merit. So neither man was considered the champ going in... Now lets look at the the ebb and flow of the fight, particularly the last two rounds:

    1. Lets assume Bivol won the first two rounds

    2. Lets assume Beter won the last two rounds...

    3.There is a fundamental difference in the importance of these last two rounds versus these first two rounds. Beter dominated the championship rounds... His impact on Bivol was tangible. In a real analysis, if this difference can be scored, it should be. I would give Beter at least another round for dominating these rounds... So lets say at this point Beter is up one round and we have rounds 3 to 10 to look at. 7 rounds in total. minus one "even" round we gave Beter for the last two rounds... So we have rounds 4 to 10 for a total of 6 rounds.

    4. In these six rounds, would we give either guy any dominant rounds? Where there any outstanding rounds for either guy? Would we rather give points for effective aggression? counter punching? sharp punching? My point is: it is really these rounds which are in contention. Six rounds, or so, where neither guy managed to do much to the other guy. This left a lot of latitude for scoring.

    5. My final point is about modern boxing and "punchers" specifically since the change from 12 to 15 rounds: This change greatly benefitted the boxers. A puncher had less rounds to work, and the puncher, defensive oriented stylists, had 3 less rounds to have to avoid the puncher. Beter had Bivol in trouble... marginally, but, never the less... I think this fact should be important considering the scoring, in some way... How can we expect punchers today to KO opponents with the same regularity as when they had 3 more rounds to do so?

    My point here is not to score the fight, but to show it was a fair decision. I eat crow humbly... I thought Beter would KO Bivol, in 10 rounds, or less. I do think he would have in a 15 round fight, but I was wrong. I do however think the decision was fair.






    Last edited by billeau2; 10-13-2024, 12:37 PM.

  • #2
    Because that stoopid ass Polish judge did Bet a disservice with the 8-4 card

    only Eddie would be thinking robbery if the Polish card was also another 115-113

    poles must be barred as judges in matches where one boxer is flying the Russian colors

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    • #3
      Glad I'm not so huge in this division. Couldn't care less about any of the fighters.

      The hate is nothing compared to when GGG was around. It's night and day. It's incomparable. This is too mild and it's split between the two. In GGG's case it's entirely focused on him. It's like slamming all that huge weight of hate on the Kazakhstan fighter. It's terrible.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by SouthpawRight View Post
        Because that stoopid ass Polish judge did Bet a disservice with the 8-4 card

        only Eddie would be thinking robbery if the Polish card was also another 115-113

        poles must be barred as judges in matches where one boxer is flying the Russian colors
        Judges are outrageous no argument here. Nationalism might be one of many problems lol. This is one of the reasons I like to look at different perspectives when evaluating a boxing match. I would not have a problem if Bivol had his hand raised either. I would assume someone emphasized different qualities than effective aggression. Both guys managed well... Bivol kept finding a good target now and then, Beter kept the pressure up and really brought it to bare the last two rounds.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by billeau2 View Post

          Judges are outrageous no argument here. Nationalism might be one of many problems lol. This is one of the reasons I like to look at different perspectives when evaluating a boxing match. I would not have a problem if Bivol had his hand raised either. I would assume someone emphasized different qualities than effective aggression. Both guys managed well... Bivol kept finding a good target now and then, Beter kept the pressure up and really brought it to bare the last two rounds.
          good scores

          7-5 for either or a draw

          based on sentiment more people had it Biv 7-5 than a draw or Bet 7-5

          Boxing has too many unbelievable lies from bad judges

          at least tell a believable lie and cover the tracks lol

          Alvarez draw card with Floyd
          Alvarez being scored 5 rounds VS Biv by all 3

          lmao

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          • #6
            Eddie: "That 116-112 Beterbiev is a disgrace..."
            Also Eddie: "I had it 116-112 Bivol..."

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            .....
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Superbee View Post
              Eddie's a good lad! Smells like lemon pledge, helps old ladies across the street...
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              • #8
                Bivol did almost all the clean head punching. The highlight reels are his. Bet's best punches were to the body. Those at least were clean. His head shots usually hit a lot of shoulders and gloves, just like Canelo did. All Bivol had to do was fight a little more and stop giving parts of rounds away with inactivity. One punch can make an eye like that, so can a shoulder or a scrape. I am not sure how it got there.

                It was a decent fight not a great one. Only suck ass announcers hired by Al the turkey could not stop talking about how great it was, or how excited the crowd were when you could easily hear they were not particularly excited. People were excited by the matchup, not the fight itself. Only suckers paid for that who cannot listen to their own experience.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Mr Mitts View Post
                  Bivol did almost all the clean head punching. The highlight reels are his. Bet's best punches were to the body. Those at least were clean. His head shots usually hit a lot of shoulders and gloves, just like Canelo did. All Bivol had to do was fight a little more and stop giving parts of rounds away with inactivity. One punch can make an eye like that, so can a shoulder or a scrape. I am not sure how it got there.

                  It was a decent fight not a great one. Only suck ass announcers hired by Al the turkey could not stop talking about how great it was, or how excited the crowd were when you could easily hear they were not particularly excited. People were excited by the matchup, not the fight itself. Only suckers paid for that who cannot listen to their own experience.

                  One punch can make an eye like that, so can a shoulder or a scrape. I am not sure how it got there.
                  Bivol himself said that the Power came through the high-guard left glove blocking the right hands of Beterbiev and that's what mostly destroyed his cheek .... That's Power !
                  Last edited by Superbee; 10-13-2024, 04:09 PM.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Superbee View Post




                    Bivol himself said that the Power came through the high-guard left glove blocking the right hands of Beterbiev and that's what mostly destroyed his cheek .... That's Power !
                    Marciano... Same kind of situation. Crazy power... Guys talking about sore arms, etc.

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