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  • #31
    Originally posted by PRINCEKOOL View Post
    Why should of Joe Calzaghe travelled outside of the UK 'During his World Championship reigns, America was not quite the power house of big time boxing. Like it was back in other decades, America on a global scale was starting to encounter real competition'.

    The fact of the matter is? Eventually Joe Calzaghe did leave the UK 'And challenge both Bernard Hopkins and Roy Jones Junior. Now? I respect and rate both Hopkins and Jones Junior higher than Joe Calzaghe. But they were still not the fighters who left the United States of America to defend and fight for World titles against Calzaghe. Joe Calzaghe was in the latter part of his career'.

    When it comes to the Super Middle Weight Division, Joe Calzaghe as a Champion is the King. Neither Roy Jones Junior or Bernard Hopkins, competed or were dominant in those boxing division's long enough to give themselves the title of King. Therefore the onus was on them to pursue Joe Calzaghe, and challenge him on the doorstep of his castle in the UK'.

    Joe Calzaghe's resume is underrated, mainly because the top level fighters he did beat 'In the main scenes of his career. Were all European fighters, such as Mikkel Kessler'.

    Chris Eubank Senior, even the version of Eubank Senior would of beaten all active Super Middle Weights in today's modern era 'The only real competitive fight for Chris Eubank Senior would be Canelo Alvarez. But I would honestly back Chris Eubank Senior to beat Canelo Alvarez'.

    The talent and ability of Super Middle Weight fighters, during Joe Calzaghe's reign was clearly superior than today's era 'You can analyse numerous top level fighters from the late 90's and 2000's, and match them vs Super Middle Weight fighters from today's era. Most honest people would back the Super Middle Weight fighters from the late 90's and 2000's 90% of the time vs fighters such as Caleb Plant and Billy Joe Saunders'.

    The way I see it, is that Joe Calzaghe whenever he encountered a challenge inside the ring 'He overcame it, and did everything that was asked of him as a Champion'.

    Note: Statistically I also believe that his resume is underrated 'Joe Calzaghe fought and beaten 10 World Champions. Chris Eubank Junior, Robin Reid, Richie Woodhall, Charles Brewer, Bryon Mitchell, Jeff Lacy, Sakio Bika, Mikkel Kessler, Bernard Hopkins, Roy Jones Junior'.

    The timing unfortunately of Joe Calzaghe's fights vs Bernard Hopkins and Roy Jones Junior was not great. And I always believe that Bernard Hopkins made a slight tactical mistake in his preparation. Hopkins conditioning for a distance fight, seemed to be of a higher level for his fight after Joe Calzaghe against Kelly Pavlik. This was most likely a reaction to the loss'.

    Bernard Hopkins skill for skill, clearly was on the level of Calzaghe or above 'Even at that stage of his career. But maybe he underestimated the intensity and endurance of Joe Calzaghe. When we rate all-time great fighters in terms of endurance, then Joe Calzaghe is right up there as one of the best fighters with this attribute'.

    I would of liked to of seen a rematch between Bernard Hopkins and Joe Calzaghe 'And Hopkins in my opinion, would or tactically prepared more specifically for a distance fight'.

    You still would have to say that Joe Calzaghe won that fight, with his work rate and 'The fact that he hit Bernard Hopkins body parts numerous times. It does not really matter where the punches are landing, Calzaghe was hitting the landmass of Bernard Hopkins with his offense. In a professional boxing match, that type of offense and work rate is what can win you rounds. That level of agression'.

    To conclude: Overall, Joe Calzaghe was never really involved in big block buster fights 'And although he beat every single fighter he fought. Many would say, that he should of rematch certain fighters during his career. People in the sport of boxing, enjoy watching a good story unfold. Joe Calzaghe career was a great story from his rise, but there have been more captivating boxing stories inside the ring. And maybe this is why certain folk, may believe he is underrated'.

    I personally don't think overall that Joe Calzaghe is underrated 'Most serious boxing analyst and historians, know that Joe Calzaghe is a all-time great fighter. Calzaghe was a Old school fighter both in terms of his conduct, training and attitude to fighting when the going got tough'.

    Joe Calzaghe is definitively one of the greatest Super Middle Weight Champion's of all-time, if not the Greatest Champion. He has the longest reign as a Champion, in the Division. And he had won all the major World Titles at Super Middle Weight during his Championship reign. Ring ****zine Lineal title, WBO, WBC, WBA, IBF' etc.









    Sounds like Calslappy had some cowardice in him!!!...Greatest ConChampion!!!...There ever was!!!...

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    • #32
      Originally posted by PRINCEKOOL View Post
      Why should of Joe Calzaghe travelled outside of the UK 'During his World Championship reigns, America was not quite the power house of big time boxing. Like it was back in other decades, America on a global scale was starting to encounter real competition'.

      The fact of the matter is? Eventually Joe Calzaghe did leave the UK 'And challenge both Bernard Hopkins and Roy Jones Junior. Now? I respect and rate both Hopkins and Jones Junior higher than Joe Calzaghe. But they were still not the fighters who left the United States of America to defend and fight for World titles against Calzaghe. Joe Calzaghe was in the latter part of his career'.

      When it comes to the Super Middle Weight Division, Joe Calzaghe as a Champion is the King. Neither Roy Jones Junior or Bernard Hopkins, competed or were dominant in those boxing division's long enough to give themselves the title of King. Therefore the onus was on them to pursue Joe Calzaghe, and challenge him on the doorstep of his castle in the UK'.

      Joe Calzaghe's resume is underrated, mainly because the top level fighters he did beat 'In the main scenes of his career. Were all European fighters, such as Mikkel Kessler'.

      Chris Eubank Senior, even the version of Eubank Senior would of beaten all active Super Middle Weights in today's modern era 'The only real competitive fight for Chris Eubank Senior would be Canelo Alvarez. But I would honestly back Chris Eubank Senior to beat Canelo Alvarez'.

      The talent and ability of Super Middle Weight fighters, during Joe Calzaghe's reign was clearly superior than today's era 'You can analyse numerous top level fighters from the late 90's and 2000's, and match them vs Super Middle Weight fighters from today's era. Most honest people would back the Super Middle Weight fighters from the late 90's and 2000's 90% of the time vs fighters such as Caleb Plant and Billy Joe Saunders'.

      The way I see it, is that Joe Calzaghe whenever he encountered a challenge inside the ring 'He overcame it, and did everything that was asked of him as a Champion'.

      Note: Statistically I also believe that his resume is underrated 'Joe Calzaghe fought and beaten 10 World Champions. Chris Eubank Junior, Robin Reid, Richie Woodhall, Charles Brewer, Bryon Mitchell, Jeff Lacy, Sakio Bika, Mikkel Kessler, Bernard Hopkins, Roy Jones Junior'.

      The timing unfortunately of Joe Calzaghe's fights vs Bernard Hopkins and Roy Jones Junior was not great. And I always believe that Bernard Hopkins made a slight tactical mistake in his preparation. Hopkins conditioning for a distance fight, seemed to be of a higher level for his fight after Joe Calzaghe against Kelly Pavlik. This was most likely a reaction to the loss'.

      Bernard Hopkins skill for skill, clearly was on the level of Calzaghe or above 'Even at that stage of his career. But maybe he underestimated the intensity and endurance of Joe Calzaghe. When we rate all-time great fighters in terms of endurance, then Joe Calzaghe is right up there as one of the best fighters with this attribute'.

      I would of liked to of seen a rematch between Bernard Hopkins and Joe Calzaghe 'And Hopkins in my opinion, would or tactically prepared more specifically for a distance fight'.

      You still would have to say that Joe Calzaghe won that fight, with his work rate and 'The fact that he hit Bernard Hopkins body parts numerous times. It does not really matter where the punches are landing, Calzaghe was hitting the landmass of Bernard Hopkins with his offense. In a professional boxing match, that type of offense and work rate is what can win you rounds. That level of agression'.

      To conclude: Overall, Joe Calzaghe was never really involved in big block buster fights 'And although he beat every single fighter he fought. Many would say, that he should of rematch certain fighters during his career. People in the sport of boxing, enjoy watching a good story unfold. Joe Calzaghe career was a great story from his rise, but there have been more captivating boxing stories inside the ring. And maybe this is why certain folk, may believe he is underrated'.

      I personally don't think overall that Joe Calzaghe is underrated 'Most serious boxing analyst and historians, know that Joe Calzaghe is a all-time great fighter. Calzaghe was a Old school fighter both in terms of his conduct, training and attitude to fighting when the going got tough'.

      Joe Calzaghe is definitively one of the greatest Super Middle Weight Champion's of all-time, if not the Greatest Champion. He has the longest reign as a Champion, in the Division. And he had won all the major World Titles at Super Middle Weight during his Championship reign. Ring ****zine Lineal title, WBO, WBC, WBA, IBF' etc.









      This post is so full of nonsense it’s painful.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by BodyBagz View Post

        Because he......wanted to

        Again, being the Boss comes with perks.
        So before he didn't want to because he was a "boss"???...The boss of what???..Beating 40 year olds past their prime???...

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        • #34
          Originally posted by PRINCEKOOL View Post
          Why should of Joe Calzaghe travelled outside of the UK 'During his World Championship reigns, America was not quite the power house of big time boxing. Like it was back in other decades, America on a global scale was starting to encounter real competition'.

          The fact of the matter is? Eventually Joe Calzaghe did leave the UK 'And challenge both Bernard Hopkins and Roy Jones Junior. Now? I respect and rate both Hopkins and Jones Junior higher than Joe Calzaghe. But they were still not the fighters who left the United States of America to defend and fight for World titles against Calzaghe. Joe Calzaghe was in the latter part of his career'.

          When it comes to the Super Middle Weight Division, Joe Calzaghe as a Champion is the King. Neither Roy Jones Junior or Bernard Hopkins, competed or were dominant in those boxing division's long enough to give themselves the title of King. Therefore the onus was on them to pursue Joe Calzaghe, and challenge him on the doorstep of his castle in the UK'.

          Joe Calzaghe's resume is underrated, mainly because the top level fighters he did beat 'In the main scenes of his career. Were all European fighters, such as Mikkel Kessler'.

          Chris Eubank Senior, even the version of Eubank Senior would of beaten all active Super Middle Weights in today's modern era 'The only real competitive fight for Chris Eubank Senior would be Canelo Alvarez. But I would honestly back Chris Eubank Senior to beat Canelo Alvarez'.

          The talent and ability of Super Middle Weight fighters, during Joe Calzaghe's reign was clearly superior than today's era 'You can analyse numerous top level fighters from the late 90's and 2000's, and match them vs Super Middle Weight fighters from today's era. Most honest people would back the Super Middle Weight fighters from the late 90's and 2000's 90% of the time vs fighters such as Caleb Plant and Billy Joe Saunders'.

          The way I see it, is that Joe Calzaghe whenever he encountered a challenge inside the ring 'He overcame it, and did everything that was asked of him as a Champion'.

          Note: Statistically I also believe that his resume is underrated 'Joe Calzaghe fought and beaten 10 World Champions. Chris Eubank Junior, Robin Reid, Richie Woodhall, Charles Brewer, Bryon Mitchell, Jeff Lacy, Sakio Bika, Mikkel Kessler, Bernard Hopkins, Roy Jones Junior'.

          The timing unfortunately of Joe Calzaghe's fights vs Bernard Hopkins and Roy Jones Junior was not great. And I always believe that Bernard Hopkins made a slight tactical mistake in his preparation. Hopkins conditioning for a distance fight, seemed to be of a higher level for his fight after Joe Calzaghe against Kelly Pavlik. This was most likely a reaction to the loss'.

          Bernard Hopkins skill for skill, clearly was on the level of Calzaghe or above 'Even at that stage of his career. But maybe he underestimated the intensity and endurance of Joe Calzaghe. When we rate all-time great fighters in terms of endurance, then Joe Calzaghe is right up there as one of the best fighters with this attribute'.

          I would of liked to of seen a rematch between Bernard Hopkins and Joe Calzaghe 'And Hopkins in my opinion, would or tactically prepared more specifically for a distance fight'.

          You still would have to say that Joe Calzaghe won that fight, with his work rate and 'The fact that he hit Bernard Hopkins body parts numerous times. It does not really matter where the punches are landing, Calzaghe was hitting the landmass of Bernard Hopkins with his offense. In a professional boxing match, that type of offense and work rate is what can win you rounds. That level of agression'.

          To conclude: Overall, Joe Calzaghe was never really involved in big block buster fights 'And although he beat every single fighter he fought. Many would say, that he should of rematch certain fighters during his career. People in the sport of boxing, enjoy watching a good story unfold. Joe Calzaghe career was a great story from his rise, but there have been more captivating boxing stories inside the ring. And maybe this is why certain folk, may believe he is underrated'.

          I personally don't think overall that Joe Calzaghe is underrated 'Most serious boxing analyst and historians, know that Joe Calzaghe is a all-time great fighter. Calzaghe was a Old school fighter both in terms of his conduct, training and attitude to fighting when the going got tough'.

          Joe Calzaghe is definitively one of the greatest Super Middle Weight Champion's of all-time, if not the Greatest Champion. He has the longest reign as a Champion, in the Division. And he had won all the major World Titles at Super Middle Weight during his Championship reign. Ring ****zine Lineal title, WBO, WBC, WBA, IBF' etc.


          eubank hadnt been ranked for years when calzaghe fought him, not to mention he hadnt fought at 168 in years when calzaghe fought him. he lost to collins twice years before calzaghe and even to dan schommer in a robbery win. that version would not beat every super middle if he couldnt beat dan schommer and that was 3 years before the calzaghe fight. he also never won another fight after calzaghe.

          most of those guys are former champs. means nothing. give him credit for beating some guys at the end of his career like lacy, bika, kessler, and hopkins(dubiously) but if you look at his career he was clearly in safety first mode. the first 9 years of his "championship" reign he fought 4 top 10 fighters. 4 out of his first 18 defenses against top 10 guys. thats hilariously bad. thats tank davis bad, and if you look at those 4 guys they all had recently lost. robin reid lost to malinga, calzaghe then fought him. woodall lost to beyer, calzaghe then fought him. brewer got ko'd by echols, calzaghe then fought him, mitchell lost to ottke, calzaghe then fought him. he was only going for safe fights against guys on the slide. his own promoter confirms this.

          super middle is a new division and ward has a much better resume, although many of his fights were dubious cheat fests. its just a division where frauds and phonies like to hang out. now canelo is there ducking the #1 guy for years making up ridiculous excuses. fitting
          Last edited by daggum; 10-07-2024, 01:07 PM.
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          • #35
            Originally posted by Hous View Post
            No one even talks about him anymore so I don't see how he can be overrated. He's got some good names on his resume, and most of his fights were one-sided.
            most of his fights were against bums though. see the correlation? he was a good fighter no doubt but when good fighters fight other good fighters its usually but not always competitive. when good fighters fight bums its usually but not always not competitive. calzaghe had a razor close fight against robin reid. he had a razor close fight against bika, i actually had bika winning as he was landing the cleaner harder punches and dominated the fight late. razor close fight against hopkins that i had hopkins winning on clean punches. close competitive fight against kessler that calzaghe won. lacy really was not that good of a fighter and is the only big name that he dominated. roy and eubank were way too old to be relevant.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Donnie Herrera View Post

              So before he didn't want to because he was a "boss"???...The boss of what???..Beating 40 year olds past their prime???...
              I can assure you, you would not willingly go out of your way to appease your opponent if you were a/the boss of your div.

              If a guy wants my title, let him come take it
              I'll not give up my comforts AND pay extra taxes to make his time more enjoyable, thank you very much.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by BodyBagz View Post

                I can assure you, you would not willingly go out of your way to appease your opponent if you were a/the boss of your div.

                If a guy wants my title, let him come take it
                I'll not give up my comforts AND pay extra taxes to make his time more enjoyable, thank you very much.
                You would if you were confident in beating him...just like if Calslappy had confidence in himself oversees...nope!!!...He's only good at home against c-side opposition!!!...

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Donnie Herrera View Post

                  You would if you were confident in beating him...just like if Calslappy had confidence in himself oversees...nope!!!...He's only good at home against c-side opposition!!!...
                  You just said he traveled vs Hop and RJJ
                  Your argument is losing focus.

                  Before a boss became a boss, he traveled.

                  You didnt deny my assumption, did you ?

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by BodyBagz View Post

                    I can assure you, you would not willingly go out of your way to appease your opponent if you were a/the boss of your div.

                    If a guy wants my title, let him come take it
                    I'll not give up my comforts AND pay extra taxes to make his time more enjoyable, thank you very much.
                    the wbo was more like the ibo belt for most of calzaghes title run. boxing at large didnt view it as a major belt.

                    In 2001, the WBO champions received the same recognition by the WBA that was given to the IBF and WBC champions. The WBC would begin naming the WBO champions on its ranking list in 2004. The IBF too recognized the WBO in February of 2007.

                    this actually gives calzaghe an excuse for his terrible opposition for most of his career. he wasnt really a champ so him fighting bums isnt that bad
                    Last edited by daggum; 10-07-2024, 02:07 PM.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by daggum View Post

                      the wbo was more like the ibo belt for most of calzaghes title run. boxing at large didnt view it as a major belt.

                      In 2001, the WBO champions received the same recognition by the WBA that was given to the IBF and WBC champions. The WBC would begin naming the WBO champions on its ranking list in 2004. The IBF too recognized the WBO in February of 2007.
                      And ????

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