Comments Thread For: Devin Haney's legal action against Ryan Garcia driven by 'destroyed image'

[champion4ever]

As opposed to the popular prick Devin? You just get more and more deluded.

Yes Devin Haney? He’s my man! What a very great and outstanding citizen he really is. I mean he is an excellent role model for kids and younger athletes. He is teaching them how to do things the right and proper way.

[ELPacman]

This seems a tad late at this point. He already got extra $$$ by agreeing to face Ryan who came in overweight. He got his loss over turned. Ryan took a year suspension and quite honestly, it's been refreshing not to read some whackadoo **** post from him for months now.

All this is doing is bringing back everything that went wrong in their fight. Someone said, it wasn't just "enhancements" that may have helped Ryan, it was also Devin's lack of defense that helped Ryan. No amount of roids Ryan can inject can help Haney fix that. Sorry Haney, but that's a you problem. That's a problem where, if they rematched and Ryan actually turned up clean and made weight, Haney is still going to get dropped and maybe stopped because of.

[billeau2]

Yes Devin Haney? He’s my man! What a very great and outstanding citizen he really is. I mean he is an excellent role model for kids and younger athletes. He is teaching them how to do things the right and proper way.

Devin is a good kid, but he consents, as an adult to do things that make one question his integrity. A good bit of which has to do with his old man. But given his weight cheating and his actions as of late, he cannot be put on a pedastial. That is just the reality.

[CPNUTKnockoutFreshMart]

You’re right, Ostarine is used to repair injuries primarily, not just weight cutting.. you literally have no clue what you even wrote a paragraph about. We’ve all seen what you’ve written before, and you’re not the biggest tool in the shed. But you do seem to always only care about the color of people’s skin, and always seem to d ride them into oblivion.

I don't know where you get the idea that I care about the color of anyones skin. You must have me confused with someone else. I couldn't care less about a persons skin color , nationality , or any of that meaningless shlt. If that's what you get from my posts , I'd suggest you re-read them and work on that reading comprehesion.
Ostarine is basically a legal "light steroid" , a lot like Winstrol, I never said that it was just for weight cutting, in fact , I was arguing against someone using that to minimize its effects , again , read what I wrote and try using your reading comprehension.

[Boricua181]

Hes never got his ass whopped like Haney did. And even when he lost, he had a legit medical condition. Huge difference. Throw in the fact that he fought and beat Loma legitimately and your hate is exactly what i it is.

Kambosos a much less skillful fighter than Ryan, busted up Teofimo's face so badly that Teo said right after the fight there would be no rematch.
What champion loses his titles, and his undefeated record, and after that humiliating defeat, doesn't want to get his revenge, and titles back?

[CPNUTKnockoutFreshMart]

Ostarine isn't a muscle builder or a steroid. It is a SARM. It is used for helping to cut weight. It doesn't make a guy stronger, at best it helps with a weight cut. There have been warning for years that many supplements may contain Ostarine without it appearing on the label.

Garcia had a billionth of a gram in his body. This is consistent with taking it unknowingly. The drug test was not long before the fight. If Ostarine was being used to cut weight purposefully, it would have shown up in a much higher dose. It takes two weeks for it to clear the system. This is why the board concluded it was taken unknowingly. He was taking legal supplements that were tainted. There is science behind what is happening.

The average person has no clue about supplements. Ostarine does not create strength. It helps with a weight cut. There is nuance. But people hate Garcia, so they ignore all facts. I don't care about Garcia. Haney is a whiny douche who finally got his mouth shut. Garcia is an arrogant kid. But to say Garcia won because he was "enhanced" is ridiculous. Haney was heavier than him fight night. Haney had the advantage. And yes it is well known Haney uses IV's to rehydrate.

Regardless, the hyperbole and ignorance from fans is incredible. Be pissed at me if you want. You don't know the difference between a weight cutting sarm and anabolic steroids or hgh or clen. Anyone who does knows that the whole issue is utter bs.

"Ostarine mimics anabolic steroids’ anabolism by stimulating the AR (androgen receptor), increasing skeletal muscle and bone strength.

Ostarine also enhances satellite cell cycle activation, resulting in fusing with myofibers and increasing myonuclei in the muscles.

Due to ostarine’s tissue-selective properties, it can increase lean muscle without inducing the androgenic side effects of steroids, preventing benign prostatic hyperplasia (BPH)."

The average person might not know about PEDS , but that's not me. I've been training since I was in my teens and was pretty deep into that steroid world for a long time. Ostarine is basically a light Winstrol type thing . Why do you insist on making Ostarine sound like it's just a weight cutting supplement , when every source of information denies that ? I wanted Garcia to win , I was happy when he beat the crap out of Haney. That doesn't mean that I'm going to minimize what he did like you're trying to do. I'm not pissed at you at all. For what , having a different opinion ? Nah man , it's not that serious.

"You don't know the difference between a weight cutting sarm and anabolic steroids or hgh or clen."

I can't lie though , that cracked me up , because that is one of the things that I do actually know a lot about. I was doing cycles while you were still in the crib. You know what they say about assuming...

I'm going to look up how much Garcia had in his urine. The half life of Ostarine is 24 hours and it is detectable in a urine test for up to nine days , not two weeks. Yesterday it was a millionth of a gram , today it's a billionth. I want to do my own math. How much is detected doesn't speak to how much he had taken or for how long. At the end of a cycle you are going to be tapering down slowly to almost nothing. It's not like you're going to take the stuff once , you're going to be taking it for months , building up to a peak and then slowly coming down.
I don't believe for a second that Ryan took the stuff without knowing. You can believe him if you want.


Maybe Garcia would have beat Haney anyway , but due to his cheating we won't ever know and that's the worst part of it. He cheated Haney but he also cheated himself.

[Theshotyoudontsee]

"Ostarine mimics anabolic steroids’ anabolism by stimulating the AR (androgen receptor), increasing skeletal muscle and bone strength.

Ostarine also enhances satellite cell cycle activation, resulting in fusing with myofibers and increasing myonuclei in the muscles.

Due to ostarine’s tissue-selective properties, it can increase lean muscle without inducing the androgenic side effects of steroids, preventing benign prostatic hyperplasia (BPH)."

The average person might not know about PEDS , but that's not me. I've been training since I was in my teens and was pretty deep into that steroid world for a long time. Ostarine is basically a light Winstrol type thing . Why do you insist on making Ostarine sound like it's just a weight cutting supplement , when every source of information denies that ? I wanted Garcia to win , I was happy when he beat the crap out of Haney. That doesn't mean that I'm going to minimize what he did like you're trying to do. I'm not pissed at you at all. For what , having a different opinion ? Nah man , it's not that serious.

"You don't know the difference between a weight cutting sarm and anabolic steroids or hgh or clen."

I can't lie though , that cracked me up , because that is one of the things that I do actually know a lot about. I was doing cycles while you were still in the crib. You know what they say about assuming...

I'm going to look up how much Garcia had in his urine. The half life of Ostarine is 24 hours and it is detectable in a urine test for up to nine days , not two weeks. Yesterday it was a millionth of a gram , today it's a billionth. I want to do my own math. How much is detected doesn't speak to how much he had taken or for how long. At the end of a cycle you are going to be tapering down slowly to almost nothing. It's not like you're going to take the stuff once , you're going to be taking it for months , building up to a peak and then slowly coming down.
I don't believe for a second that Ryan took the stuff without knowing. You can believe him if you want.


Maybe Garcia would have beat Haney anyway , but due to his cheating we won't ever know and that's the worst part of it. He cheated Haney but he also cheated himself.

Then you know that Ostarine in real world usage is not that effective at doing anything and has a tendency to cause a lot of side effect. It is considered garbage by steroid users.

I understand what the people who make Ostarine say, and they push the studies they have funded to make it sound like a steroid. But Sarms are basically garbage. If you have been dealing with PED's "since I was in the crib", then you surely know all that?

So, my question is, you being an expert.......why would Garcia, a guy worth many millions, use a second rate Sarm when he could easily get gear that would actually have given him an advantage? It isn't even hard to mask the good stuff if you have money.

Garcia produced supplements which were tested and shown to have tiny amounts of Ostarine in them, unlabeled. Being an expert, you know that many supplement producers put small amounts of certain chemicals in over the counter fat burners andnother supps.

So it appears based on the facts that Garcia didn't use Ostarine intentionally. If you are an expert, you know the signs of PED use. Garcia did't show any, looked the same muscle wise, fought the same.

I think you are basing your opinion off of personal opinion. It's a free country.

[TheOneAboveAll]

I don’t dispute that. To be fair, that destroyed image came at the hands of a fighter who was clearly using performance enhancing banned substances so this lawsuit is not without merit. I for one favour state aggravated assault charges for those who use PEDs while engaged in combat sports as well. Garcia has gotten off very light. Ban these fighters for life, sue them, and charge them criminally when this happens in any of the 50 American states or territories and you’ll see this stop.

The problem is that there is no unified enforcement body to apply sanctions evenly, so only the poorer, lesser-connected fighters will be subject to real, career-altering punishment. The well-connected fighters will almost always circumvent serious punishment. It's analogous to the capital punishment problem in this country. Like a majority of Americans, I believe that the death penalty is justified for certain crimes, but I am still generally opposed to it because of the way that it is applied. You don't have to be a bleeding-heart lib.eral to understand that the death penalty in this country is primarily a punishment for poor people who cannot afford a strong legal defense. It will be the same for boxing.

[El_Mero]

Kambosos a much less of a fighter than Ryan, busted up Teofimo's face so bad that Teo said right after the fight there would be no rematch.
What champion loses his titles, and his undefeated record, and after that humiliating defeat, doesn't want to get his revenge, and titles back?

1 who grew out of that weight, especially with a proven medical condition

[Boricua181]

1 who grew out of that weight, especially with a proven medical condition

The Teofimo's medical condition is psychological!!!