When An MMA Fighter Loses To A Boxer In MMA!!!…

[Donnie Herrera]

[TMLT87]

Yeah it can happen. Punchers chance is a thing in MMA too, and boxers are the best punchers.

I'd say if these fights happened regularly the boxer would land something early 10-20% of the time and win. Harder for an MMA guy to beat a top boxer under boxing rules as boxing is a much more controlled environment with the counts etc.

[Oh_Snap]

That fight was supposed to be a gentleman's agreement. A boxing match in the MMA cage. Silva threw a kick breaking the agreement and Mercer bombed him out.

[Donnie Herrera]

Yeah it can happen. Punchers chance is a thing in MMA too, and boxers are the best punchers.

I'd say if these fights happened regularly the boxer would land something early 10-20% of the time and win. Harder for an MMA guy to beat a top boxer under boxing rules as boxing is a much more controlled environment with the counts etc.

True...boxers who transition to MMA do much better than vice versa...MMA guys should train boxing first...then they would know how to punch...

[Donnie Herrera]

That fight was supposed to be a gentleman's agreement. A boxing match in the MMA cage. Silva threw a kick breaking the agreement and Mercer bombed him out.

Didn't know that...serves him right!!!...Haha...

[ELPacman]

True...boxers who transition to MMA do much better than vice versa...MMA guys should train boxing first...then they would know how to punch...

I believe the levels are significantly higher when boxing at a high level vs fighting in MMA at a high level. Boxing is an artful that takes time to master. MMA can be a glorified street fight with its own rules, even if one might believe MMA is anything goes. Because of all the variables and crazyness in MMA, I feel like, a lot of guys with less skill will always have a chance, even at the higher levels.

In boxing, you can easily see someone at the high level separating themselves from the low. Sure, there is always a punchers chance, but a high level will typically have either a stronger chin, or know how to avoid the wild punches from a less experienced puncher.

[TMLT87]

I believe the levels are significantly higher when boxing at a high level vs fighting in MMA at a high level.

Its apples to oranges. High level boxers have refined their skillset to a greater degree than high level MMA fighters, but thats because their skillset is a fraction of the size. The more stuff you have to train for the less you're gonna be able to master it all.

MMA can be a glorified street fight

How many kicks, takedowns, submissions, flying knees etc do you see in street fights?

In boxing, you can easily see someone at the high level separating themselves from the low. Sure, there is always a punchers chance, but a high level will typically have either a stronger chin, or know how to avoid the wild punches from a less experienced puncher.

Fighters get matched up much more evenly in MMA though. Upsets are definitely more common in MMA than boxing because of the smaller gloves, no counts after a knockdown and the much wider ranger of weapons, but you can absolutely see the difference in levels in MMA too. Shouldnt that be obvious when theres pretty much a clear hierarchy of promotions with the UFC being the main stage with by far the highest average level of competition? there are UFC washouts who are champions in other promotions.

[ELPacman]

Its apples to oranges. High level boxers have refined their skillset to a greater degree than high level MMA fighters, but thats because their skillset is a fraction of the size. The more stuff you have to train for the less you're gonna be able to master it all.



How many kicks, takedowns, submissions, flying knees etc do you see in street fights?



Fighters get matched up much more evenly in MMA though. Upsets are definitely more common in MMA than boxing because of the smaller gloves, no counts after a knockdown and the much wider ranger of weapons, but you can absolutely see the difference in levels in MMA too. Shouldnt that be obvious when theres pretty much a clear hierarchy of promotions with the UFC being the main stage with by far the highest average level of competition? there are UFC washouts who are champions in other promotions.

That's what I meant by a glorified street fight. You will still see submissions in a street fight. It's not uncommon that natural instinct is to choke someone by wrapping your arm around their head once you got them down. Sure, you probably won't see flying knees and spinning back punches, but kicks can happen, takedowns can happen. It's just more unpredictable since fight or flight kicks in. Body is basically working on instinct.

[TMLT87]

That's what I meant by a glorified street fight. You will still see submissions in a street fight. It's not uncommon that natural instinct is to choke someone by wrapping your arm around their head once you got them down. Sure, you probably won't see flying knees and spinning back punches, but kicks can happen, takedowns can happen. It's just more unpredictable since fight or flight kicks in. Body is basically working on instinct.

Kicks in street fights are basically soccer kicks to someone on the ground, not the kickboxing/muay thai style kicks you see in MMA. The learning curve on those is so high that its pretty much impossible to do it correctly without training to do it, you're more likely to **** yourself up trying it than the guy you're kicking. Theres recentfootage out there of AJ doing it, and you'd never guess he was a world class fighter and good athlete based on how bad he looks.

Also theres a world of difference between "wrapping your arm around someones head" in a street fight and actual high level MMA grappling which features black belts, olympic medallists etc. The grappling aspect of MMA by itself is already more complex than the entirety of boxing in terms of amount of variables, techniques, possible strategies at any given moment etc etc.