41 year old Anthony Joshua vs 27 year old Wladimir Klitschko

[elfag]

I'm not sure what this comparison is trying to prove? Does it make any kind of statement?

No idea what Joshua will be like at 41. They're very different guys and some last into those years, the vast majority don't. He might? Who knows. Wlad was a bit of a physical freak in that regard. Why would we compare fighters at 41? Does the fact that 41 year old Wlad would have beaten 41 year old Ali mean anything? Of course it doesn't.

So that's not particularly a fair comparison.

It's probably also unfair to compare them both at 27. Wlad had vastly more fights but had been stopped a couple of times with another TKO looming the following year. Joshua was far less experienced but only one guy had come close to putting a dent in him (Whyte) and he got knocked clean out.

You could try to compare them both in their 19th fight,? Joshua became a unified champion in front of 90,000 while Wlad was fighting Cody Koch in a music venue.

(BTW if you've never heard of Cody Koch you should Google him - he was killed a couple of months later... before investigators started suffering injuries and got pulled off the case against his killers!).

considering what AJ looks like at 34 its pretty easy to see he wont last to 41 doesnt require much imagination.


the point is that AJ's win gets way overrated when he was dropped by a 41 year old that was already thoroughly outboxed by Fury 2 years earlier.

[elfag]

I'm not sure about the answer to your question, but one thing about them two, they're very similar overall. Genetic freaks (well, I'm pretty sure juice helped) and had really good power. Yet their chin were always their Achilles heel.

I think if anything, it proves how much smarter Wlad was as a fighter. He knew his chin was his downfall and he tweaked his style a tad to be more defensive and not engage recklessly. AJ on the other hand seems to enjoy going to war, even if he knows he just might get KO'd in the process. This is probably why Wlad's career extended into his early 40s as champ. I'm not sure I can see AJ doing the same thing with his current style and lack of defense.

AJ never found a solution to deal with pressure. especially after Ruiz 1.

Wlad after his KO loss to sanders went to stewart who taught him lennox style and how to fight for his height, stop leaning over, clinch if excessively ect. atleast gave him the tools to deal with pressure.


AJ changing trainers all the time and having a bunch of hanger ons doesnt help him at all

[Toffee]

considering what AJ looks like at 34 its pretty easy to see he wont last to 41 doesnt require much imagination.


the point is that AJ's win gets way overrated when he was dropped by a 41 year old that was already thoroughly outboxed by Fury 2 years earlier.

So you didn't really need to consider what AJ will be like at 41. Because it doesn't matter.

You think AJ's Wlad win is overrated. I think it's impressive that a boxer in his 19th pro right beat a guy who was very highly ranked. You might remember it was a huge fight.

Wlad at 41 was still considered one of the best in the division. That's who he was at 41.

[_Rexy_]

****, a 34 year old AJ gets flatlined by 41 year old Klitschko

[_Rexy_]

So you didn't really need to consider what AJ will be like at 41. Because it doesn't matter.

You think AJ's Wlad win is overrated. I think it's impressive that a boxer in his 19th pro right beat a guy who was very highly ranked. You might remember it was a huge fight.

Wlad at 41 was still considered one of the best in the division. That's who he was at 41.

He was actually unranked, being inactive for 17 months and being winless in over 24.

[Toffee]

He was actually unranked, being inactive for 17 months and being winless in over 24.

He was ranked 1 by TBRB just a couple of months before...

1 by Ring. 2 by WBA. 3 by IBF.

It's a very good win. You don't get to revise the status of that fight 7 years later.

[_Rexy_]

He was ranked 1 by TBRB just a couple of months before...

1 by Ring. 2 by WBA. 3 by IBF.

It's a very good win. You don't get to revise the status of that fight 7 years later.

So he wasn't sitting at home for 18 months collecting retirement?

I'm looking at the TBRB rankings right now, at no point was Wlad ranked at any point in 2017 until AFTER the AJ fight. Just like he was ranked in the 2016 ring Annual rankings, but was unranked by Ring in April going into the AJ fight.

**** do I care about ABC rankings? Ppl just use them when they're applicable to their argument, like you're doing now.

literally went life and death with a 42 year old man who hadn't had a win in over 2 years, and hadn't hurt or dropped anyone in 3 years.

hall of fame win right there.

[Toffee]

So he wasn't sitting at home for 18 months collecting retirement?

I'm looking at the TBRB rankings right now, at no point was Wlad ranked at any point in 2017 until AFTER the AJ fight. Just like he was ranked in the 2016 ring Annual rankings, but was unranked by Ring in April going into the AJ fight.

**** do I care about ABC rankings? Ppl just use them when they're applicable to their argument, like you're doing now.

literally went life and death with a 42 year old man who hadn't had a win in over 2 years, and hadn't hurt or dropped anyone in 3 years.

hall of fame win right there.

You use 'literally' before starting Wlad was 42. So not 'literally'.

Of course he wasn't sitting at home. You know full well what he was doing. He was in multiple camps for the rematch for the unified heavyweight championship of the world.

TBRB had him at 1. Before removing him for not having a fight booked in the same month that the fight v Joshua was announced.

He was widely considered to still be a very top level fighter. It was a massive, massive fight.

Why am I even debating with you when I'm just restating facts?

[_Rexy_]

You use 'literally' before starting Wlad was 42. So not 'literally'.

Of course he wasn't sitting at home. You know full well what he was doing. He was in multiple camps for the rematch for the unified heavyweight championship of the world.

TBRB had him at 1. Before removing him for not having a fight booked in the same month that the fight v Joshua was announced.

He was widely considered to still be a very top level fighter. It was a massive, massive fight.

Why am I even debating with you when I'm just restating facts?

https://tbrb.org/rankings-archive

TBRB hadn't had him ranked since the end of 2016. He fought AJ April 2017. That's 5 months of being unranked prior to the fight. But yes, before he was removed *five months prior to the Joshua fight* he was #1. Cool. Gets points for being ranked at some point during negotiations I guess.

Yes it was a massive fight. You keep saying that. It was a massive fight. Again, cool. Doesn't make it some phenomenal win because it was in a stadium.

But yeah, you got me. He was only 41 years old.

[Toffee]

https://tbrb.org/rankings-archive

TBRB hadn't had him ranked since the end of 2016. He fought AJ April 2017. That's 5 months of being unranked prior to the fight. But yes, before he was removed *five months prior to the Joshua fight* he was #1. Cool. Gets points for being ranked at some point during negotiations I guess.

Yes it was a massive fight. You keep saying that. It was a massive fight. Again, cool. Doesn't make it some phenomenal win because it was in a stadium.

But yeah, you got me. He was only 41 years old.

They took him out in their December 2016 ratings. He was ranked 1 in November.

They gave the reason as the information they had "at the end of November 2016 was that Klitschko was turning down fights".

Yet the WBA sanctioned the fight at the start of November and it was announced in the ring December 10th.

Basically, they screwed up. He constantly had world title level fights booked and they unranked him on incorrect information.

Regardless, he was ranked 1 up to December 2016. Fair to say that he was still considered to be a very high level of competition.