Joshua is just NOT on the same level as Lennox, Wladimir, Fury, Usyk OR Wilder!

[Smash]

maybe hes just seen better days, wilder was older when he fell off the bus idk

[Willow The Wisp]

You only see that now after so many years ? Skip Wilder from that list also.

I see many of the fights of the aforementioned champios live, and I don't miss a trick.

I certainly am speaking ESPECIALLY about Deontay Wilder.

With this 5th round KO loss, his 4th loss whilst in his PRIME, Joshua, in spite of a great career featuring many great moments, ABSOLUTELY now falls a shade behind Wilder, who suffered just 2 losses while in his prime (and those to the one linialchampion), racked up nearly twice as many wins; and clearly possessed the kind of power that A.J., with all due respect, could NEVER withstand.

So the era now looks somewhat like this:

The current era is 2015 - 2025


1. Oleksandr Usyk
2. Tyson Fury
3. Deontay Wilder
4. Zhilei Zhang
5. Anthony Joshua
6. Daniel Dubois
7. Joseph Parker
8. Andy Ruiz Jr
9. Martin Bakole
10.Luis Ortiz
11.Wladimir Klitschko (old ver)
12.Agit Kabayel
13.Dillian Whyte
14.Joe Joyce
15.Jarrell Miller
16.Alexander Povetkin (old ver)
17.Derrick Chisora
18.Kubrat Pulev (old ver)
19.Filip Hrgovic
20.Charles Martin

[daggum]

Wilders resume is trash. Dubois is now far better than wilder and joshus always was, doesn't matter how many losses you have it's about how many good wins you have

[Willow The Wisp]

Wilders resume is trash. Dubois is now far better than wilder and joshus always was, doesn't matter how many losses you have it's about how many good wins you have

Give it up. Your fighting a lost cause. Wilder > Joshua.

Josh never could manage two in row against a Luis Ortiz level guy (Re. Ruiz, Dubois), and Wilder stepped in with another of the three long-terms champs of the era and fought a draw and an epic.

Events have simply passed you by.
The history books will dismiss Wilder's last two fights just as it does Louis' last two, Ali's last two, Tyson's last two, and Wladimir Klitschko's last two.

Prime A.J. receives no such pardon for his disasters.

Today's development = Wilder again inches out ahead of Joshua in the all-career assessment.

Sorry bud. It all could've happened for you today - But it didn't. Prime Wilder would've smashed prime Joshua for sure. Eddie knew it all along too.

[pollywog]

Prime Joshua had knocked out every guy until he faced Joseph Parker 6 years ago.

In that fight, he ran, pleaded to the ref, called his own timeouts and couldn't put a dent in Parker for 12 rounds.

There is no way that guy was beating Prime 2018 Wilder.

[Hous]

Wilder is reading this and rolling right now!

I think we also got to admit to ourselves that DDD is MUCH better than we gave him credit.

[pollywog]

So the era now looks somewhat like this:

The current era is 2015 - 2025


1. Oleksandr Usyk
2. Tyson Fury
3. Deontay Wilder
4. Zhilei Zhang
5. Anthony Joshua
6. Daniel Dubois
7. Joseph Parker
8. Andy Ruiz Jr
9. Martin Bakole
10.Luis Ortiz
11.Wladimir Klitschko (old ver)
12.Agit Kabayel
13.Dillian Whyte
14.Joe Joyce
15.Jarrell Miller
16.Alexander Povetkin (old ver)
17.Derrick Chisora
18.Kubrat Pulev (old ver)
19.Filip Hrgovic
20.Charles Martin

Parker rates higher than Fury, Wilder, Zhang, Joshua and Dubois but i figure you'll come round in the long run by the time Parker hangs up his gloves.

[elfag]

of course not he freezes up when he gets pressured. its not the power its the pressure. KOs can happen i mean lennox got KO'd but that is when shots got through, you never seen him just freeze up like AJ when guys were trying to take his head off.


Even a late 90s early 2000s tyson would KO AJ because AJ would freeze when someone rushes him. his defense goes out the window.


I only seen this happen in Ruiz 1 and after. Even Usyk 1 he had this weird look of shock on his face once he couldnt land on him.

I dont think he always been that way because Wlad he got dropped and got back up and came through and he stopped Zhang in the amateurs out landing him in a close inside exchange. somewhere along the line he lost all his confidence and panics in the ring. closest guys i seen to that are mccall and andrew golota.

[elfag]

Wilder is reading this and rolling right now!

I think we also got to admit to ourselves that DDD is MUCH better than we gave him credit.

hes crude but effective. he has a 95% KO ratio. he should have a KO win over Usyk that punch was legal. also him beating miller, people ignore it like miller is unskilled, its still a giant 300 pound man with a tough chin and dubois went to war with him and took him out, that is hard to do, that shows his power, chin and heart.

[daggum]

Give it up. Your fighting a lost cause. Wilder > Joshua.

Josh never could manage two in row against a Luis Ortiz level guy (Re. Ruiz, Dubois), and Wilder stepped in with another of the three long-terms champs of the era and fought a draw and an epic.

Events have simply passed you by.
The history books will dismiss Wilder's last two fights just as it does Louis' last two, Ali's last two, Tyson's last two, and Wladimir Klitschko's last two.

Prime A.J. receives no such pardon for his disasters.

Today's development = Wilder again inches out ahead of Joshua in the all-career assessment.

Sorry bud. It all could've happened for you today - But it didn't. Prime Wilder would've smashed prime Joshua for sure. Eddie knew it all along too.

history books will show wilders resume was crap. ali and joe louis have all time great resumes to fall back on. wilder has nothing. joshua is no all time great but he has a much better resume than wilder. thats how you judge fighters. not on fantasy fights, especially a fight that wilder shamelessly ducked. he knew all along thats why he kept offering him career high paydays? makes no sense. 8 top 10 wins to 2 top wins and joshua has much better quality wins as well. its not even close. if you want to compare fury to joshua thats much closer, wilder is not close and thats why you have to resort to fantasy wins that he doenst have because his real resume is terrible. trying to slide wilder into the convo with lennox and usyk lmao. that was your whole agenda all along except hes not on their level, hes not joshuas level, hes not even on dubois' level or dillian whyte. check their resumes...then check wilders. a gift draw agaisnt fury and fantasy wins...where is the substance?