Comments Thread For: Former heavyweight LaRon Mitchell likes Anthony Joshua over Daniel Dubois

[Boro]

Rabid fan? I have never given any of of my money to AJ. I like him because he fights people and doesn't duck them. Which is proved by his record. You just blindly supported a guy who was unbeaten but who was scared of taking any actual hard fights.

Fury said (jokingly) after AJ/Dubois fight "That **** has just cos me $150 million". Well you know - you should have taken the fight the other 3 times it was offered to you. Being a p@ssy also loses you money.

No other HW of similar quality to Fury at that time could have got away with fighting Wallin and Schwarz.

You called me a rabid fan and yet here you harping about not spending money on AJ, like i've ever done that on Fury!? And AJ hasn't fought many of what the public consider the top guys of this era apart from Usyk Fury is 2/3 of them, ironically AJ is in the exact same boat as Wilder 1/3 of the top guys.

Why would it be "jokingly"? these guys are throwing around money and it's basically sunk the fight for them particularly the scale of it and if Fury loses to Usyk, it's permanently fell to the waste side.

Why wouldn't any HW get away with fighting Wallin and Schwarz? WTF do you think Breazeale. Molina, Takam where stiffs with ratings in the sanctioning bodies.

Like I said you're disingenuous as fúck and let's not act like people like Joe Louis who is far superior to both AJ and Fury didn't have his little "bum of the month" tour.

It's common as hell in boxing, in fact Muhammad Ali is the only heavyweight i can think of who consistently fought top level opposition even straight after his "exile".

[Roberto Vasquez]

You called me a rabid fan and yet here you harping about not spending money on AJ, like i've ever done that on Fury!? And AJ hasn't fought many of what the public consider the top guys of this era apart from Usyk Fury is 2/3 of them, ironically AJ is in the exact same boat as Wilder 1/3 of the top guys.

Why would it be "jokingly"? these guys are throwing around money and it's basically sunk the fight for them particularly the scale of it and if Fury loses to Usyk, it's permanently fell to the waste side.

Why wouldn't any HW get away with fighting Wallin and Schwarz? WTF do you think Breazeale. Molina, Takam where stiffs with ratings in the sanctioning bodies.

Like I said you're disingenuous as fúck and let's not act like people like Joe Louis who is far superior to both AJ and Fury didn't have his little "bum of the month" tour.

It's common as hell in boxing, in fact Muhammad Ali is the only heavyweight i can think of who consistently fought top level opposition even straight after his "exile".

You keep using bad language which is upsetting me and hurting my feelings

The article I read said Tyson said it "Jokingly". But all jokes have a truth to them.

No top HW could have fought Vienetta, Wallin or Schwarz back then apart from Fury - because his fans accept poor opponents. They went on for ages about how Aj was ducking Wallin too. I saw it on this forum. AJ fought Ngannou because Fury got humiliated by him and he was told he could have a shot at Fury if he won. Takam may have even been in the top-10 when Joshua fought him. But if not he was just outside it. Takam was a good fighter. Breazeale was in the top-20 at least.

Let's not start arguing about who was better - old small heavyweights or the new huge ones. As someone who was around when Lennox Lewis was about - he was kind of talked about the way Joshua is now by his detractors - but even worse! Consistently criticized as being over-cautious even by Steward and he had those 2 flash knockouts by boxers way beneath him. The general boxing public back then would despise anyone without an unbeaten record. It took Lewis ages to get back in the mix after the McCall KO. He fought some real bums if I remember right.

[Boro]

You keep using bad language which is upsetting me and hurting my feelings

The article I read said Tyson said it "Jokingly". But all jokes have a truth to them.

No top HW could have fought Vienetta, Wallin or Schwarz back then apart from Fury - because his fans accept poor opponents. They went on for ages about how Aj was ducking Wallin too. I saw it on this forum. AJ fought Ngannou because Fury got humiliated by him and he was told he could have a shot at Fury if he won. Takam may have even been in the top-10 when Joshua fought him. But if not he was just outside it. Takam was a good fighter. Breazeale was in the top-20 at least.

Let's not start arguing about who was better - old small heavyweights or the new huge ones. As someone who was around when Lennox Lewis was about - he was kind of talked about the way Joshua is now by his detractors - but even worse! Consistently criticized as being over-cautious even by Steward and he had those 2 flash knockouts by boxers way beneath him. The general boxing public back then would despise anyone without an unbeaten record. It took Lewis ages to get back in the mix after the McCall KO. He fought some real bums if I remember right.

Like I said to you Pianeta was 2 months into his come back after 3 years out if you're holding that against you're ret@rded and not even taking into consideration that he fought Wilder right after as if context doesn't matter at all.

I don't care what people say on forums, I care about reality.

Takam wasn't ranked in the top 10 at the time and who cares about people outside of top 10, use the commonly accepted Ring/TBRB or don't bother mentioning it at all.

What arbitrary site are you actually using? most people only bother with The Ring and TBRB which only rank the top 10 beyond that you're plucking it from sites that fit your narrative.

Don't compare a bum like AJ to Lennox Lewis, he actually fought his contemporaries who were considered the real threats in the division not just the cruiserweight.

And no people didn't dislike Lewis because he had losses on the record that's a relatively new phenomenon since Mayweather and his BS.

They disliked him primarily because he played the role of being British or Canadian or Jamaican when it suits him but also spent a lot of time in the U.S so I think it was hard for him to really solidify a faithful fanbase.

He was also considered boring whilst in the same era as the most overhyped heavyweight in history.

Lennox is a top 5 all time heavyweight, no heavyweight from this era belongs in that conversation apart from Wlad but he's truthfully not of this era.

Maybe and it's a BIG maybe Usyk and Fury could end up in said conversation depending on how the rest of their careers pan out.

Usyk might even go down as the GOAT but Joshua certainly doesn't belong in said conversation.

[Roberto Vasquez]

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Like I said to you Pianeta was 2 months into his come back after 3 years out if you're holding that against you're ret@rded and not even taking into consideration that he fought Wilder right after as if context doesn't matter at all.

I don't care what people say on forums, I care about reality.

Takam wasn't ranked in the top 10 at the time and who cares about people outside of top 10, use the commonly accepted Ring/TBRB or don't bother mentioning it at all.

What arbitrary site are you actually using? most people only bother with The Ring and TBRB which only rank the top 10 beyond that you're plucking it from sites that fit your narrative.

Don't compare a bum like AJ to Lennox Lewis, he actually fought his contemporaries who were considered the real threats in the division not just the cruiserweight.

And no people didn't dislike Lewis because he had losses on the record that's a relatively new phenomenon since Mayweather and his BS.

They disliked him primarily because he played the role of being British or Canadian or Jamaican when it suits him but also spent a lot of time in the U.S so I think it was hard for him to really solidify a faithful fanbase.

He was also considered boring whilst in the same era as the most overhyped heavyweight in history.

Lennox is a top 5 all time heavyweight, no heavyweight from this era belongs in that conversation apart from Wlad but he's truthfully not of this era.

Maybe and it's a BIG maybe Usyk and Fury could end up in said conversation depending on how the rest of their careers pan out.

Usyk might even go down as the GOAT but Joshua certainly doesn't belong in said conversation.

Correction : Piantea was 2 months Fury's come back after 2 years out for a backdated PED ban.

Btw you hurt my feelings again by calling me a re@ard. When will you stop with your very manly and mature insults?

You said : "who cares about people outside of top 10?" Well that would make sense for you - a Fury fan to rank a boxer in top-15 the same as a boxer in the top-70.

you are wrong about Lewis - like I said once he had that KO loss to McCall he was completely out of the mix. That's literally what everyone said at the time ( I was there!). Even without a rematch-clause AJ can have a KO loss and get straight back into top fights because the public still wants to see him. Wilder could have done this too after his loss to Fury.

Lennox Lewis was losing against Vitali and retired when he saw he would lose a rematch. Uysk has already done more than Lewis ever did. He did something NO-ONE has ever done. Plus he has an amazing amateur record (where you can't avoid fighters)

I only use Ring top-10 and the global rating for boxers outside top-10. Like I said Povetkin and Pulev both no, 7 in Ring top-10 at the time. And have proven recoreds - Povetkin knocked out Dillian Whyte after AJ fight. What did Swarz or Wallin or Vianetta do after their fights? In fact what did Wilder do after Fury fight? Parker and Zhang beat Wilder 10 times easier than Fury did.

[Boro]

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Correction : Piantea was 2 months Fury's come back after 2 years out for a backdated PED ban.

Btw you hurt my feelings again by calling me a re@ard. When will you stop with your very manly and mature insults?

You said : "who cares about people outside of top 10?" Well that would make sense for you - a Fury fan to rank a boxer in top-15 the same as a boxer in the top-70.

you are wrong about Lewis - like I said once he had that KO loss to McCall he was completely out of the mix. That's literally what everyone said at the time ( I was there!). Even without a rematch-clause AJ can have a KO loss and get straight back into top fights because the public still wants to see him. Wilder could have done this too after his loss to Fury.

Lennox Lewis was losing against Vitali and retired when he saw he would lose a rematch. Uysk has already done more than Lewis ever did. He did something NO-ONE has ever done. Plus he has an amazing amateur record (where you can't avoid fighters)

I only use Ring top-10 and the global rating for boxers outside top-10. Like I said Povetkin and Pulev both no, 7 in Ring top-10 at the time. And have proven recoreds - Povetkin knocked out Dillian Whyte after AJ fight. What did Swarz or Wallin or Vianetta do after their fights? In fact what did Wilder do after Fury fight? Parker and Zhang beat Wilder 10 times easier than Fury did.

2015-2018 2 years, yes good maths son.

No one ranked any boxer in the top 15 the same as top 70 you idiot.

You're so simple you can't even understand that you're implying ranked opponents in sanctioning bodies are acceptable for AJ like Breazeale, Takam, Molina etc etc but not Fury and can't even recognize your own hypocrisy, too smooth brained to realize what's good for the goose is good for the gander.

Lennox Lewis almost has more title defences then Usyk has fights you idiot, not only that he was in arguably one of the most competitive eras in heavyweight history and was THE #1 guy.

Like I said Povetkin should have been removed from The ring like he was sanctioning bodies for popping for meldonium but as is often the case with The ring, they'll pick and choose who they’ll remove without rhyme or reason, one guy gets removed for popping another stays hence why I said it’s asinine.

No one cares about what Povetkin did AFTER AJ, it’s about what he did before and the truth is he did nothing, except get popped multiple times after his lopsided loss to Wlad and his reentry back into the top 10 was based on a win over Rudenko FFS and his fight before the shot at AJ was David Price my god...

Who the hell cares if Zhang or Parker beat Wilder easier than Fury, anyone with a bit of common sense could see the wars with Fury made him gunshy and put plenty of miles on the clock to deny that is just plain stupídity.

[Roberto Vasquez]

2015-2018 2 years, yes good maths son.

No one ranked any boxer in the top 15 the same as top 70 you idiot.

You're so simple you can't even understand that you're implying ranked opponents in sanctioning bodies are acceptable for AJ like Breazeale, Takam, Molina etc etc but not Fury and can't even recognize your own hypocrisy, too smooth brained to realize what's good for the goose is good for the gander.

Lennox Lewis almost has more title defences then Usyk has fights you idiot, not only that he was in arguably one of the most competitive eras in heavyweight history and was THE #1 guy.

Like I said Povetkin should have been removed from The ring like he was sanctioning bodies for popping for meldonium but as is often the case with The ring, they'll pick and choose who they’ll remove without rhyme or reason, one guy gets removed for popping another stays hence why I said it’s asinine.

No one cares about what Povetkin did AFTER AJ, it’s about what he did before and the truth is he did nothing, except get popped multiple times after his lopsided loss to Wlad and his reentry back into the top 10 was based on a win over Rudenko FFS and his fight before the shot at AJ was David Price my god...

Who the hell cares if Zhang or Parker beat Wilder easier than Fury, anyone with a bit of common sense could see the wars with Fury made him gunshy and put plenty of miles on the clock to deny that is just plain stupídity.

Usyk cleared up the CW division and the HW division in about 5 minutes and has an amateur record of 335 fights and only 15 losses. Lewis doesn't compare.

The point was that Povetkin was still a live fighter when AJ fought him. Joshua was also the first person to ever stop him

But anyway you are working far too hard to try and prove Joshua has a terrible record when he provably has a good record in terms of fighters faced and better than any other current HW with the same career length. We all know Fury dodged everyone for years. Joshua couldn't get a fight with him (and is still chasing one) and Usyk couldn't get a fight with him and Fury frequently lied as to why. Even Sugar Hill had to tell the truth.

Look at someone like Chisora (actually form Fury's era) outside the top-10 and taking on anyone and everyone he can. The truth can be seen here.

[Boro]

Usyk cleared up the CW division and the HW division in about 5 minutes and has an amateur record of 335 fights and only 15 losses. Lewis doesn't compare.

The point was that Povetkin was still a live fighter when AJ fought him. Joshua was also the first person to ever stop him

But anyway you are working far too hard to try and prove Joshua has a terrible record when he provably has a good record in terms of fighters faced and better than any other current HW with the same career length. We all know Fury dodged everyone for years. Joshua couldn't get a fight with him (and is still chasing one) and Usyk couldn't get a fight with him and Fury frequently lied as to why. Even Sugar Hill had to tell the truth.

Look at someone like Chisora (actually form Fury's era) outside the top-10 and taking on anyone and everyone he can. The truth can be seen here.

Absolutely laughable to compare Usyk to Lewis, he fought in arguably stronger division than Holyfield but an extremely weak HW division and lastly no one GAF about his amateur record.

I could just say the exact same about you trying too hard to prove AJ has a good resume despite it not being true his best wins are Wlad and Povetkin and then it's pretty much barren afterwards.

Povetkin was about as live as a corpse, wins over Price, Hammer and Rudenko certainly doesn't prove he's "live".

Since he's was off his meldonium which he's been relying on his entire career, he didn't look the same anyone could see that...

Like I said apart from Usyk, Fury and Parker in this era has faced 2/3 of what is considered their top rivals, you can claim Fury has dodged competition all you like.

But he still fought everyone he's expected to and he was the one who dethroned a 10 year unbeaten Wlad.

But if go by the way people like you judge AJs win over Wlad you'd think he was the one who'd done it...

So no Joshua hasn't got a good record, he's got a record full of B and C tier competition beside the two I previously mentioned.

And even then most if not all of them are on the wrong side of 30, closer to 40 including his two best.


Fury dethroned Wlad - 18 defences 9 years reigning champion, Wilder 10 defences, 5 years reigning champion.
Andy ruiz - AJ - 6 defences, 3 year reign.
Usyk - AJ - 1 defence 1 year reign, Fury 3 defences 4 year reign.
AJ - Parker - 2 defences 1 year reign, one vacant belt off a guy who hadn't had a win in 2 years and won a belt off a champion who won a vacant title and never successfully defended it
Wilder - He won his belt off a champion who won a vacant title and never successfully defended it.

[Roberto Vasquez]

Absolutely laughable to compare Usyk to Lewis, he fought in arguably stronger division than Holyfield but an extremely weak HW division and lastly no one GAF about his amateur record.

I could just say the exact same about you trying too hard to prove AJ has a good resume despite it not being true his best wins are Wlad and Povetkin and then it's pretty much barren afterwards.

Povetkin was about as live as a corpse, wins over Price, Hammer and Rudenko certainly doesn't prove he's "live".

Since he's was off his meldonium which he's been relying on his entire career, he didn't look the same anyone could see that...

Like I said apart from Usyk, Fury and Parker in this era has faced 2/3 of what is considered their top rivals, you can claim Fury has dodged competition all you like.

But he still fought everyone he's expected to and he was the one who dethroned a 10 year unbeaten Wlad.

But if go by the way people like you judge AJs win over Wlad you'd think he was the one who'd done it...

So no Joshua hasn't got a good record, he's got a record full of B and C tier competition beside the two I previously mentioned.

And even then most if not all of them are on the wrong side of 30, closer to 40 including his two best.


Fury dethroned Wlad - 18 defences 9 years reigning champion, Wilder 10 defences, 5 years reigning champion.
Andy ruiz - AJ - 6 defences, 3 year reign.
Usyk - AJ - 1 defence 1 year reign, Fury 3 defences 4 year reign.
AJ - Parker - 2 defences 1 year reign, one vacant belt off a guy who hadn't had a win in 2 years and won a belt off a champion who won a vacant title and never successfully defended it
Wilder - He won his belt off a champion who won a vacant title and never successfully defended it.

You shot yourself in the foot there - Fury has managed 3 title defenses his whole career - while claiming to be to the best HW in teh world

Joshua had maybe 7-8 and Wilder probably has 9. Says it all. Usyk depsite being in the HW for 5 minutes already has has 3

Povetkin knocked WHyte out - why are you ignoring that? Whyte is one of Fury's best wins - even tho he pushed him over with both hands....

Honestly you are clearly a weird Joshua hater. I like him because he takes hard fights. But fair enough if you prefer a guy who rarely fights anyone. bye for now

[_Rexy_]

Trolling attempt aside - your argument makes no sense because Dubois is no better than any of the guys AJ has already dispatched. Who has Dubois beat? An out of shape post-PED Miller and Hrgovic who was stopped largely by headbutts and then of course Nathan Gorman....

Power doesn't mean that much to AJ. His chin would get folded by pretty much any HW who landed flush. He's used to protecting it his whole career

If he was used to protecting his chin, he'd have his ****ing hands up when he fights.

[Boro]

You shot yourself in the foot there - Fury has managed 3 title defenses his whole career - while claiming to be to the best HW in teh world

Joshua had maybe 7-8 and Wilder probably has 9. Says it all. Usyk depsite being in the HW for 5 minutes already has has 3

Povetkin knocked WHyte out - why are you ignoring that? Whyte is one of Fury's best wins - even tho he pushed him over with both hands....

Honestly you are clearly a weird Joshua hater. I like him because he takes hard fights. But fair enough if you prefer a guy who rarely fights anyone. bye for now

No i didn't shot myself in the foot at all, you completely ignored my point about who they've beaten for their belts.

Because you're intentionally being selective about what you deem to be worthy of consideration it's absolutely hilarious.

Why would I care about Whyte kayoing a covid riddled Povetkin who's off his lifelong PEDs!? Wlad pushed people for ko wins so did mayweather and many others.

It's commonplace, you're just blinded by your ret@rded and completely unwarranted hatred of Fury, you only see what Fury allegedly does wrong.

No one is hating AJ I'm telling you to be objective you moron, Fury has two good wins in Wlad and Wilder and AJ has two good wins in an even older Wlad and Povetkin, stop being so butt hurt just because you're assuming I dislike AJ, not everyone deepthroats AJ like you.

And the irony in your accusing anyone of being a hater given your "sig" is beyond laughable.