Comments Thread For: Ranking the best heavyweights of the 21st century

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i have rewritten the Lennox Lewis description - Lennox Lewis is not in a class of his own — and arguably the most overrated HW of all time and his losses, that came against poor opposition never seem to count against him. He also, in his prime, won a robbery vs past prime Mercer, Mercer won that fight 100-90. His jab? Think Larry Holmes, but with an upgrade and always on replay, but Larry Holmes was just a poor man's Kevin Johnson fighting in the weakest era ever, and could not even stop Ali, who at the time, was a man who struggled to get out of a chair, this footage is available for all to see.

Lewis wasn’t about showboating; he was boring, didn't have anywhere near the charisma of current IBF King Daniel Dubois. He was about getting it done. Except for the two official losses, the loss to Mercer, and the beating he took from Vitali, he also lost the rematch to Evan PED Fields. At 6'5" with an 84" reach, he is taller than Floyd Mayweather, he combined size, power, and the tutelage of the late Emanuel Steward to lose twice, in reality 5 times, in his weak era.

And let’s not forget his resilience: *Wasn't resilient at all*. Down twice, knocked out twice. No heart, slow recovery, saved by ref vs Vitali. knocked out by Oliver McCall in '94, embarrassing. He came back to "stop" McCall three years later. Big whoop! Same story with Hasim Rahman — Lewis ''avenged" that KO to make it 1-1 in a crap rematch with a **** fighter. His resume is ok: Frank Bruno (Poundshop Joshua), Evander Holyfield (1W 1L), Vitali Klitschko (was getting beat up, lucky cut), David Tua (talk about overrated), Shannon Briggs (let's go champ. Funny but average., Razor Ruddock (Journeyman) and a half-dead Mike Tyson, still recovering from his escapades in Japan, were among his victims. In a crowded heavyweight landscape, Lewis was one of them. Cash in (Nash out's cousin & brother) - His Excellency

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Wladimir Kiltschko is the last great World Heavyweight Champion. There is no way that Tyson Fury, Anthony Joshua or any current active Heavyweight should be rated higher than him.

And I actually currently right now as we speak? Rate Anthony Joshua higher than Tyson Fury 'Joshua has a greater overall resume, with higher number of superior wins than Fury'.

1: Lennox Lewis is obviously the greatest Heavyweight fighter of the 21st century, although really 'The 90's Heavyweight era, the conclusive stages of that era were still taking place in the early 2000's. That is why you would have to rate Lennox Lewis by quite a distance, at number 1'.

2: Then after Lennox Lewis, without a shadow of a doubt 'Wladimir Kiltschko is the last great World Heavyweight Champion'.

Kiltschko is one of the greatest Heavyweight Champions of all-times, and currently right now 'There are no active Heavyweight Champions, that have achieved anywhere near his feats at Heavyweight'.

As a amateur he was also a Olympic Champion 'Which is the pinnacle, and greatest feat of achievement any Amateur fighter can achieve'.

In the professional ranks, Kiltschko achieved 24 successful defenses of his World titles and has fought 26 Championship level fights in total.

Note: David Haye at the time when he fought Kiltschko was at his peak. Haye was effectively the Usyk of that era 'Haye should of really been made the Undisputed World Cruiser Weight Champion, the only reason why? This title was not given to him when he beat Mormeck, was due to a technicality. So coming into the Kiltschko fight Haye was a former Unified Cruiser Weight World Champion, and current WBA World Heavyweight Champion.

I would rank David Haye, as the fifth to sixth best Heavyweight of the 21st century. Haye was only the second sentient being in boxing history, to win a World Heavyweight title, after formerly being the Unified World Cruiserweight Champion. The weight differential between David Haye and Nikola Valuev was 7 stone in weight, 98 pounds. There are very few active Heavyweights, who have achieved a comparable physiological and athletic skill boxing feat. It is not just about David Haye's exploits within the Heavyweight Division, it is his entire boxing resume combined with his abilities 'Haye beat every single major Cruiserweight Champion, and in very impressive fashion. If David Haye wanted to? He could of just been content with being a premier and dominant Champion, within the Cruiserweight Division. But instead David Haye took a risk, and pursued a formidable challenge? To concur the Ultimate combat sports division, while being a classically styled physique Heavyweight during the era of Super Heavyweights'.

I am not stating that categorically, and unequivocally that David Haye should be rated as the 5th to 6th best Heavyweight fighter by everyone within the boxing community. But what I am stating is? There is substantial serious evidence, which can support a debate to rate David Haye as the number 5 to 6 best Heavyweight of the 21st century. David Haye has the most impressive win over a peak Derek Chisora, and solid wins vs Monte Barrett and John Ruiz 'By the way, he destroyed those fighter's'.

3: I would rate Vitali Kiltschko at number 3. The Kiltschko brothers in combination, were the Undisputed Heavyweight Champions 'The only thing stopping them from, having a single fighter as a Heavyweight Champion. Was that they promised their parents that they would never fight each other'.

To conclude: When it comes to this era of Heavyweight fighters, Tyson Fury in comparison to past great Champions 'Has been a very under-par Champion. You can see up above, the statistics of Wladimir Kiltschko's heavyweight reign, now here below I will post Tyson Fury's Championship statistics'

Tyson Fury has achieved 3 successful defenses of his world titles, and has fought 7 Championship fights in total. Fury's raw statistics in comparison are not really registering on the radar with the other all-time great Champions.

Mike Tyson achieved 10 successful defenses of his world titles, and has fought 13 Championship fights in total.

Muhammad Ali achieved 19 successful defenses of his world titles, and has fought 24 Championship fights in total.

I understand that people in the boxing community, have their own perceptions of the sport 'And that is why certain folks rating's differ greatly, but honestly? Try giving some solid objective reasons, which YOU could actually use in a debate setting to defend your case guys'.

On a fight by fight basis David Tua is a greater fighter than Joseph Parker by miles 'Where is my evidence which supports this statement? David Tua beat 3 fighters that ether went on to become World Champions, or were former World Heavyweight Champions.Those fighters were Hasim Rahman, Michael Moorer and John Ruiz. Tua obliterated two of those fighters Moorer and Ruiz inside 1 round'.

After the top three Heavyweight fighters of the 21st century, who are clearly 'Lennox Lewis, Wladimir Kiltschko and Vitali Kiltschko'.

Tyson Fury, Oleksandr Uysk and Anthony Joshua 'Are all still competing to see who will be the last man standing from their Heavyweight era. Therefore their individual places really are not solidified at this point in history. On a fight by fight basis, the universal perception of those fighters is altering dramatically. Not so long ago? Tyson Fury was being herald as one of the greatest and most formidable Heavyweight fighters of all times, hypothetically he was being back to beat most other past great Heavyweight fighters. Since Oleksandr Uysk a former Cruiserweight fighter, beat him in their undisputed title fight? That perception no longer has a intense presence in the universal perception of the boxing community'

But even before Fury fought Uysk ? Tyson Fury's hypothetically and mythical heavyweight ratings were being heavily damaged 'This was due to his performances against fighters such as Francis Ngannou. Ngannou beat Fury all the statistics of the fight show that Francis Ngannou won the fight, Ngannou landed the most power punches, inflicted the most damage and he scored a knock down'.

Heavyweight fighters who have competed in the 21st century, who have not fought in World title fights 'Should not be being mentioned, or rated anywhere near the top-10 fighters of the past 25 years' etc.

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Wladimir Kiltschko is the last great World Heavyweight Champion. There is no way that Tyson Fury, Anthony Joshua or any current active Heavyweight should be rated higher than him.

And I actually currently right now as we speak? Rate Anthony Joshua higher than Tyson Fury 'Joshua has a greater overall resume, with higher number of superior wins than Fury'.

1: Lennox Lewis is obviously the greatest Heavyweight fighter of the 21st century, although really 'The 90's Heavyweight era, the conclusive stages of that era were still taking place in the early 2000's. That is why you would have to rate Lennox Lewis by quite a distance, at number 1'.

2: Then after Lennox Lewis, without a shadow of a doubt 'Wladimir Kiltschko is the last great World Heavyweight Champion'.

Kiltschko is one of the greatest Heavyweight Champions of all-times, and currently right now 'There are no active Heavyweight Champions, that have achieved anywhere near his feats at Heavyweight'.

As a amateur he was also a Olympic Champion 'Which is the pinnacle, and greatest feat of achievement any Amateur fighter can achieve'.

In the professional ranks, Kiltschko achieved 23 successful defenses of his World titles and has fought 26 Championship level fights in total.

Note: David Haye at the time when he fought Kiltschko was at his peak. Haye was effectively the Usyk of that era 'Haye should of really been made the Undisputed World Cruiser Weight Champion, the only reason why? This title was not given to him when he beat Mormeck, was due to a technicality. So coming into the Kiltschko fight Haye was a former Unified Cruiser Weight World Champion, and current WBA World Heavyweight Champion.

3: I would Vitali Kiltschko at number 3. The Kiltschko brothers in combination, were the Undisputed Heavyweight Champions 'The only thing stopping them from, having a single fighter as a Heavyweight Champion. Was that they promised their parents that they would never fight each other'.

To conclude: When it comes to this era of Heavyweight fighters, Tyson Fury in comparison to past great Champions 'Has been a very under-par Champion. You can see up above, the statistics of Wladimir Kiltschko's heavyweight reign, now here below I will post Tyson Fury's Championship statistics'

Tyson Fury has achieved 3 successful defenses of his world titles, and has fought 7 Championship fights in total. Fury's raw statistics in comparison are not really registering on the radar with the other all-time great Champions.

Mike Tyson achieved 10 successful defenses of his world titles, and has fought 13 Championship fights in total.

Muhammad Ali achieved 19 successful defenses of his world titles, and has fought 24 Championship fights in total.

I understand that people in the boxing community, have their own perceptions of the sport 'And that is why certain folks rating's differ greatly, but honestly? Try giving some solid objective reasons, which YOU could actually use in a debate setting to defend your case guys'.

On a fight by fight basis David Tua is a greater fighter than Joseph Parker by miles 'Where is my evidence which supports this statement? David Tua beat 3 fighters that ether went on to become World Champions, or were former World Heavyweight Champions.Those fighters were Hasim Rahman, Michael Moorer and John Ruiz. Tua obliterated two of those fighters Moorer and Ruiz inside 1 round'.

After the top three Heavyweight fighters of the 21st century, who are clearly 'Lennox Lewis, Wladimir Kiltschko and Vitali Kiltschko'.

Tyson Fury, Oleksandr Uysk and Anthony Joshua 'Are all still competing to see who will be the last man standing from their Heavyweight era. Therefore their individual places really are not solidified at this point in history. On a fight by fight basis, the universal perception of those fighters is altering dramatically. Not so long ago? Tyson Fury was being herald as one of the greatest and most formidable Heavyweight fighters of all times, hypothetically he was being back to beat most other past great Heavyweight fighters. Since Oleksandr Uysk a former Cruiserweight fighter, beat him in their undisputed title fight? That perception no longer has a intense presence in the universal perception of the boxing community'

But even before Fury fought Uysk ? Tyson Fury's hypothetically and mythical heavyweight ratings were being heavily damaged 'This was due to his performances against fighters such as Francis Ngannou. Ngannou beat Fury all the statistics of the fight show that Francis Ngannou won the fight, Ngannou landed the most power punches, inflicted the most damage and he scored a knock down'.

Heavyweight fighters who have competed in the 21st century, who have not fought in World title fights 'Should not be being mentioned, or rated anywhere near the top-10 fighters of the past 25 years' etc.

Fury is the greatest to ever walk the earth. Yes, he was poor vs Ngannou but win by 3-4 points, outside of a great 3 round spell for Usyk, 8-9-10, Fury put on a master class and was lighting him up with combinations, winning 9 out of 12 rounds then being robbed. Lewis lost offically twice to 2 journeyman, winning a rematch does not take away a loss. Lost every round to an over the hill Mercer when he was in his prime, got battered by Vitali and saved by a poor stoppage when Vitali was fine, and lost the rematch to Holyfield to be saved by a robbery, though he did win the first fight in reality. The version of Mike Tyson he beat was useless, even prime Mike Tyson was quite poor. Cash in - His Excellency. Cash is a fountain of boxing knowledge.