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Naoya Inoue is the Pound for Pound King imo.

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  • #11
    Id have inoue no1 as he beats champs in his 1st fight in New higher division and stops them all, no fighter is doing that. If usyk beat josh and fury in his first 2 fights at heavyweight then he could be no1, although he probably wouldn't stop them, so I'm giving usyk some leeway and accommodating him
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    But I believe usyk is rated no1 currently, but I don't have issue with that Usyk is a great fighter
    Last edited by hugh grant; 09-03-2024, 06:01 PM.

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    • #12
      Don't make me laugh. He struggled a bit in his last fight against a low level guy that he should have wiped out in 2 rounds, and he also got knockdown by another low level guy in the previous fight. His defence is leaky and he is getting more reckless, showing regression after the fulton fight where he looked sharp. Usyk is no1 and crawford is a close number 2. Inoue is a very, very distant 3rd.

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      • #13
        Originally posted by Lance98 View Post
        Don't make me laugh. He struggled a bit in his last fight against a low level guy that he should have wiped out in 2 rounds, and he also got knockdown by another low level guy in the previous fight. His defence is leaky and he is getting more reckless, showing regression after the fulton fight where he looked sharp. Usyk is no1 and crawford is a close number 2. Inoue is a very, very distant 3rd.
        Don’t make me laugh

        Usyk was struggling hard and got saved by the ref from being knocked out by dubois with that bs low blow call

        nery got a flash knockdown which inoue got up from

        dubois ktfo usyk and had him out rolling on the ground past a ten count

        and fury was getting beat up by an mma fighter making his pro debut

        prior to usyk beating him lmfao

        usyk struggled hard and got ktfo by dubois and the ref saved him and gave him a gift then usyk beats a fat out of shape one dimensional cokehead who got beat up by an mma fighter in his pro debut and all of sudden people want to act like usyk ran through the 70s golden era of heavyweights

        don’t make me laugh

        luis Nery is no worse than Andy Ruiz who beat the **** out of Joshua

        heavyweight division is utter trash probably the weakest division in boxing

        as for Crawford

        Crawford struggled hard getting past a fighter with only ten fights

        and beating the withered remains of damaged goods Spence after he nearly died in a car accident due to being ejected from a car and hitting a tree is not enough

        inoue would crush a tomato can like that in 8 rounds
        Last edited by Ctx94; 09-04-2024, 04:27 AM.
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        • #14
          Crawford did just win a belt in a new division. Inoue just took a cash grab staying at 122.

          I think you can have any of the 3 up there. Let’s see who Crawford fights next because Inoue looks to have Goodman, Leo (FW new division) and Nakatani lined up.

          He beats those 3 and he’s clear #1 unless Crawford beats Canelo. Usyk beats Fury again and I think he deserves the spot.
          Last edited by The Big Dunn; 09-04-2024, 09:22 AM.

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          • #15
            Originally posted by hugh grant View Post
            Id have inoue no1 as he beats champs in his 1st fight in New higher division and stops them all, no fighter is doing that. If usyk beat josh and fury in his first 2 fights at heavyweight then he could be no1, although he probably wouldn't stop them, so I'm giving usyk some leeway and accommodating him
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            But I believe usyk is rated no1 currently, but I don't have issue with that Usyk is a great fighter
            Crawford just won a title up at 154 in his first fight in the division. That alone merits consideration.
            You can’t only give the guys you like credit for doing it.

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            • #16
              Oleksandr Uysk is the pound for pound rated number 1 fighter in the world 'No fighters in the lower weight divisions, have achieved any feats on the level of him beating both Anthony Joshua twice and Tyson Fury'.

              What is the big deal with fighters in the lower weight classes? Why are they in my opinion, being rated so easily higher in terms of ability than Heavyweight fighters?

              When in reality, the Heavyweight Division as a open class division 'From share physiological perspective, is the most formidable division in all of combat sports'. The Heavyweight Division is not the most purely skilled division overall, but in its whole totality? Skill, Power, Damage, Peril, Jeopardy, Variation of styles, people would have to be honest and admit? That it is at any given time the ultimate and most formidable divisions in all of combat sports.

              There is a greater variation of styles in the Heavyweight division, and fighters are challenged with overcoming potentially more attributes 'Lets look at a fighter like Oleksandr Uysk'.

              Oleksandr Uysk is a classically physique styled Heavyweight, meaning typically Uysk in terms of his dimensions 'The stature of Oleksandr Uysk has been throughout history on average, the most prolific and dominate physique in the sport'.

              Although I personally believe Oleksandr Uysk is not naturally big as fighters such as Muhammad Ali, George Foreman and Joe Frazier. Due to the fact that Oleksandr Uysk has to pump himself up over 200 pounds, with body building routines and those past great fighters did not incorporate such training methodologies.

              Heavyweight fighters during the 1970's and even before those era's, the training culture was entirely different to what is seen today in this modern boxing era. Fighters would boil down to their fighting weight, because endurance and overall conditioning was perceived as the most important aspect and attribute in a fighters game.

              Heavyweight fighters like Ken Norton, Muhammad Ali, George Foreman and Joe Frazier in training camps were not training with the intention of being Super Heavyweights or gaining mass, their primary intention was to build endurance and overall conditioning 'People must factor in? That this is the boxing era, when fighters were still fighting over 15 rounds in Championship fights. And going back a few decades earlier Heavyweight fighters were fighting 45 rounds maximum in Championship Fights'.

              Lets just take those factors and competitive environment into consideration, and then really think how this would effect a fighters preparation for a fight 'The primary objective would be to build endurance, overall condition and refine boxing skills. The training culture in the Heavyweight division today within this modern era, has altered dramatically. There seems to be less emphasis on overcall condition, and fighters sometimes believe they can win fights due to their mass and brute strength alone'.

              Since the 2000's Super Heavyweight Fighters, have been more competitive in the sport at top level 'This has only added more variation to the division, and potentially more challenges for fighters to overcome'.

              Note: Oleksandr Uysk approximately was being out weighed by almost 40 pounds vs Tyson Fury, and 20 pounds vs Anthony Joshua.

              David Haye when he fought Nikola Valuev was being out weighed by 7 stone, 98 pounds. Haye weighed in at 218 pounds, vs Valuev 315 pounds. The total the weight differential in pounds between the two fighters was 98 pounds. The fight was billed as David vs Goliath'.

              David Haye won the fight via majority decision 'Becoming only the second man in history, to achieve such a feat. At that point in time Evander Holyfield was only other sentient being in mankind's history, who had moved up from the Cruiserweight Division to win a World Heavyweight title'.​​

              And this weight differential between fighters, is not because one of the fighters have weight drained themselves 'It is all solid conditioned mass, especially in the case of Heavyweight fighters like Anthony Joshua'.

              Fighters in the lower weight classes, very rarely encounter that type of challenge 'Even if there is a big weight differential on fight night. It is only a matter of time, before that so called advantage decreases and begins to have extreme negative effects upon a fighters overall conditioning'.

              Floyd Mayweather Junior was a fighter who slayed and exposed many of his opponents 'Who weight drained themselves and believed they need to be the big man on fight night in order to beat him. Mayweather Junior historically in any weight division he fought in, always weighed in on fight night? Very close to the Weight Limit. While many of his opponents would gain 10 to sometimes upwards of 20 pound come fight night'.

              To conclude: I just think the feats of achievement of lower weight class fighters in this modern era are being overrated. There are no active lower weight fighters, who have achieved any feats that are on the level of Oleksandr Uysk beating both Anthony Joshua twice and Tyson Fury.

              Oleksandr Uysk when he fought both Anthony Joshua and Tyson Fury, was not only having to overcome a vast weight differential 'He was also fighting highly skilled and proven Super Heavyweight fighters. Fury and Joshua are battleships who launch fighter jets, Uysk is a Fighter Jet a contrast in dimension's and styles.

              Many people in mass, within the boxing community totally undermined and devalued Oleksandr Uysk's abilities and prospects of beating Tyson Fury 'Time and time again people continually kept on referencing that Tyson Fury was a Super Heavyweight, that statistic alone was 90% the reason why Tyson Fury was going to win'.

              There were certain folk in the boxing community, that were also not really giving Oleksandr Uysk chance 'Those people obviously only analysed the fight on surface level, moved with the status quo and all the cliches surrounding the fight'.

              Myself personally from the very moment the fight between Tyson Fury and Oleksandr Uysk was announced 'I knew Oleksandr Uysk had the abilities both athletically, and in terms of boxing skill to beat Tyson Fury. Because Uysk pound for pound is actually a superior athlete to Fury, and in terms of boxing skill he is most likely more proven and superior in all area's of his game'.

              But regardless, in mass within the boxing community 'Not many people were really analysing the fight beyond a surface level, and really investigating the attributes and abilities of both fighters'.

              Oleksandr Uysk three wins vs Anthony Joshua twice and Tyson Fury once 'Are pound for pound the greatest victories in the sport of boxing, from a share physiological perspective since David Haye beating Nikola Valuev'.

              But Oleksandr Uysk victories also had a greater skill level, for which he had to overcome 'Therefore that increases the difficultly'.

              There are no current fighters active in the lower weight classes 'Who have achieved any wins on their resume's, that compare to level of Oleksandr Uysk's wins vs both Anthony Joshua and Tyson Fury'.

              From a share physiological perspective, combined with the skill level of both Anthony Joshua and Tyson Fury 'People can have their opinions, that is great. But from my observation, there is not much of a debate backed with any real evidence. That shows any active lower weight class fighters, encountering the level of challenge and achieving such a feat as Oleksandr Uysk did vs Anthony Joshua and Tyson Fury' etc.








              Last edited by PRINCEKOOL; 09-04-2024, 09:39 AM.

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              • #17
                Originally posted by The Big Dunn View Post

                Crawford just won a title up at 154 in his first fight in the division. That alone merits consideration.
                You can’t only give the guys you like credit for doing it.
                I don't think you read what I said, you just needed to get something off your chest.
                Inoue has stopped every fighter too. And they not only had 10 fights. I give bud massive props for being a 4 division champ. I'll give him even more credit If he beats nelo. It will be better than any inoue win, better than any usyk win and much better than any floyd win too.

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                • #18
                  Originally posted by hugh grant View Post

                  I don't think you read what I said, you just needed to get something off your chest.
                  Inoue has stopped every fighter too. And they not only had 10 fights. I give bud massive props for being a 4 division champ. I'll give him even more credit If he beats nelo. It will be better than any inoue win, better than any usyk win and much better than any floyd win too.

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                  I did. A win is a win. Dude was tough and had a long and distinguished amateur career. That is why he had 10 fights. He was good enough to become a world champ.

                  Why does he need to do that? He just won a title in another division. Give that the same credit you’d give Inoue.

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                  • #19
                    I have Inoue #1.

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                    • #20
                      Inoue is #1 for me. Inoue finishes and stops his opponents. Inoue doesn't rely on judges scorecards and referees to bail him out from legal body shots to stop him from losing.

                      Usyk is weak to the body.

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