Stop Comparing Bud And Floyd. Bud Isn’t Even Greater Than Tim Bradley

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Do you watch boxing? Usyk has a better resume than Crawford.

Loma was always overhyped.

You've been watching top fighters openly duck Crawford for years from Manny, Thurman, both Garcia's, Spence, Ortiz,Boots and now Fundora. Even Charlo ran up to another division while Bud was calling him out.

[The D3vil]

Thats the point TC has had fck all put in front of him, Postal and Spence is the top of his heap its not a very high heap.

Destroying a universally accepted top 5-10 P4P IS a very high heap.

Inoue's never done it
Usyk's never done it.

[hugh grant]

Destroying a universally accepted top 5-10 P4P IS a very high heap.

Inoue's never done it
Usyk's never done it.

Buds never beat a top 5 pfp fighter. Spence isn't a top 5 pfp fighter in any stretch of imagination

[TintaBoricua]

So Bud has a better resume than Tim Bradley?

I’m a huge Bradley fan. His best periods/wins in his career:

-Beat Junior Witter on his turf
-Beat Lamont Peterson, Luis Carlos Abregu, and Devon Alexander back to back to back (all undefeated fighters) and unified titles at 140.

-Trilogy fight with Pacquiao (won the first one officially even though I don’t agree with it)

-Fight of the year in 2013 against Ruslan Provodnikov

-Beat Marquez (personally thought that fight could’ve gone either way and I had it a draw)

-Has beaten 3 important fighters with undefeated records (Peterson, Alexander, Vargas)


Crawford’s best moments/wins are:

-Beat Ricky Burns on his turf
-First man to beat and stop Yuriorkis Gamboa
-First male fighter to become undisputed in two weight classes
-Four division world champion by beating Israel Madrimov.
-Has beaten 7 important fighters with undefeated records (Gamboa, Postol, Horn, Benavidez, Kavaliuskas, Spence, Madrimov)

As much as I love Timothy Bradley and always thought he deserved to be in the hall of fame sooner than he was, I think Crawford’s surpassed him.

The ONLY place Bradley beats Crawford is in best win. Whether you want to say Marquez or “officially” the first Pacquiao fight, in name it trumps any name in Crawford’s resume, but AS A WHOLE, it’s Crawford.

Crawford 4 weight champion vs. Bradley 2 weight champion

Crawford two weight undisputed vs. Bradley unified at 140

Crawford beats Bradley head to head as well if you’d like to throw that in there as well

And Bradley himself would admit that. Listen to his interviews of him talking about how Crawford was brought in as a sparring partner for Timmy and Crawford was working him.

So, yeah. Crawford>>>>>>>Bradley

[ImDominicanLipz]

I’m a huge Bradley fan. His best periods/wins in his career:

-Beat Junior Witter on his turf
-Beat Lamont Peterson, Luis Carlos Abregu, and Devon Alexander back to back to back (all undefeated fighters) and unified titles at 140.

-Trilogy fight with Pacquiao (won the first one officially even though I don’t agree with it)

-Fight of the year in 2013 against Ruslan Provodnikov

-Beat Marquez (personally thought that fight could’ve gone either way and I had it a draw)

-Has beaten 3 important fighters with undefeated records (Peterson, Alexander, Vargas)


Crawford’s best moments/wins are:

-Beat Ricky Burns on his turf
-First man to beat and stop Yuriorkis Gamboa
-First male fighter to become undisputed in two weight classes
-Four division world champion by beating Israel Madrimov.
-Has beaten 7 important fighters with undefeated records (Gamboa, Postol, Horn, Benavidez, Kavaliuskas, Spence, Madrimov)

As much as I love Timothy Bradley and always thought he deserved to be in the hall of fame sooner than he was, I think Crawford’s surpassed him.

The ONLY place Bradley beats Crawford is in best win. Whether you want to say Marquez or “officially” the first Pacquiao fight, in name it *****s any name in Crawford’s resume, but AS A WHOLE, it’s Crawford.

Crawford 4 weight champion vs. Bradley 2 weight champion

Crawford two weight undisputed vs. Bradley unified at 140

Crawford beats Bradley head to head as well if you’d like to throw that in there as well

And Bradley himself would admit that. Listen to his interviews of him talking about how Crawford was brought in as a sparring partner for Timmy and Crawford was working him.

So, yeah. Crawford>>>>>>>Bradley

I like how you broke it down without the extra trolling and goofy remarks like most people. With that being said,


-Gamboa was inactive for over 2 years before this, but ok we’ll say it was a good win. Not as good as a win as Devon Alexander with all things considered

-Crawford didn’t become undisputed by beating every champion like Canelo did. When he fought Spence he had 1 belt to 3, that isn’t the same as impressive as it would’ve been for Spence to be undisputed if he won. Also note he beat Indongo at 140 to become undisputed which is a very c level win.

-Beating Madrimov is another c level win. I’m not being fooled by everyone hyping up Madrimov because of how many amateur fights he has. He became champion fighting for Charlos vacant belt. He didn’t beat any champions, world champions, or top contenders. His best win was Kurbanov for the belt who was ranked #23. Nothing impressive about this and a padded win to say he won a belt in a new division.

-Of those 7 “important” wins, only 3 were “important” in Gamboa, Spence, and Postol.

-You forgot to include Bradley beat Kendall Holt

Both of their best wins have asterisks on them. People say PAC got robbed and people say Spence was damaged goods after the car accident. If you remove those asterisks, beating PAC is a way bigger win.

-When you look at most of Buds wins, it was against fighters he was extremely favored to win. The only fight he was an underdog was vs Postol. He hasn’t had any 50/50 fight and that’s because of his talent but also because he didn’t take on the best challenges. The Horns, Kava, 1 leg Benavidez fights were not the best fights out there. Bradley was the underdog vs Pac, Holt, Witter, and Marquez. His fights with Peterson and Alexander were 2 50/50 fights vs standout elite talents in their prime.

I love Bud as a fighter and do I think he’d beat Bradley? Yes. But is he a greater fighter to me? No. Winning titles vs c level 10 fight fighters or becoming undisputed by beating Indongo for his 2 titles just doesn’t move the needle for me

[Mic_Rob]

So Bud has a better resume than Tim Bradley?

It will make a lot more sense to compare their records once they're actually both retired. Seems like Bud is going to have at least a couple more tough fights at 154 (and get overpaid for it by the looks of things).

Bud's record and career really isn't as bad as you perceive it to be considering he had to pull it all out of the mud -but Bradleys fought
more significant names.

What I meant was - Terence Crawford is clearly a better fighter than any version of Tim Bradley.

[TintaBoricua]

I like how you broke it down without the extra trolling and goofy remarks like most people. With that being said,


-Gamboa was inactive for over 2 years before this, but ok we’ll say it was a good win. Not as good as a win as Devon Alexander with all things considered

-Crawford didn’t become undisputed by beating every champion like Canelo did. When he fought Spence he had 1 belt to 3, that isn’t the same as impressive as it would’ve been for Spence to be undisputed if he won. Also note he beat Indongo at 140 to become undisputed which is a very c level win.

-Beating Madrimov is another c level win. I’m not being fooled by everyone hyping up Madrimov because of how many amateur fights he has. He became champion fighting for Charlos vacant belt. He didn’t beat any champions, world champions, or top contenders. His best win was Kurbanov for the belt who was ranked #23. Nothing impressive about this and a padded win to say he won a belt in a new division.

-Of those 7 “important” wins, only 3 were “important” in Gamboa, Spence, and Postol.

-You forgot to include Bradley beat Kendall Holt

Both of their best wins have asterisks on them. People say PAC got robbed and people say Spence was damaged goods after the car accident. If you remove those asterisks, beating PAC is a way bigger win.

-When you look at most of Buds wins, it was against fighters he was extremely favored to win. The only fight he was an underdog was vs Postol. He hasn’t had any 50/50 fight and that’s because of his talent but also because he didn’t take on the best challenges. The Horns, Kava, 1 leg Benavidez fights were not the best fights out there. Bradley was the underdog vs Pac, Holt, Witter, and Marquez. His fights with Peterson and Alexander were 2 50/50 fights vs standout elite talents in their prime.

I love Bud as a fighter and do I think he’d beat Bradley? Yes. But is he a greater fighter to me? No. Winning titles vs c level 10 fight fighters or becoming undisputed by beating Indongo for his 2 titles just doesn’t move the needle for me

Respect for actually willing to have a discussion as well instead of resorting to sideway insults and the like.

I’mma have to push back on the Spence bit being damaged goods. This is something that people came back to say POST Crawford win. The fact of the matter is A LOT of people were building up the fight to be 50/50 when it got signed (despite it being a little late in many people’s opinions). Spence beating Garcia as a comeback fight dispelled any rumors of him being chinny or shot. Whether or not he’s truly just completely shot we won’t know until he fights again. He connected his own shots in the Bud fight and was legitimately trying but Crawford was just untouchable that night. An entertaining one sided beatdown. Spence would land a single good shot here and there, but Crawford would land 3-4 of his own. It was something like Pacquiao-Margarito.

I’ll be willing to agree with you, however, that Spence collecting belts from each champion is more worthy of praise than collecting all in one shot. Bud’s win over Spence is nothing to scoff at but I understand where you’re coming from in the sense of, “Acquiring each belt individually versus showing up to beat one guy and collecting 3 in 1 or 4 in 1.”

The Indongo fight I don’t agree with. I don go just happened to have the two belts. I’m sure Crawford would’ve gone for undisputed if he already had two in his possession. Was there anybody there currently there that would’ve given him a run for his money? I doubt it.

Again, my just two cents.

Bradley and Cotto are my boys. But I just think Crawford is greater than Bradley and the way he’s looked at 140 and 147 I would’ve picked him against ANYBODY that Bradley beat. I dunno if I could say the same for Bradley.

You’re right about Gamboa, though. He WAS inactive because he (I dunno why) went to 50 cent as a promoter and he got shut out by the establishment and couldn’t get fights. It sucks, cause he was enormously talented.

[The D3vil]

Buds never beat a top 5 pfp fighter. Spence isn't a top 5 pfp fighter in any stretch of imagination

He was ranked #5-10 on every P4P list in the damn world, stop

[ImDominicanLipz]

Respect for actually willing to have a discussion as well instead of resorting to sideway insults and the like.

I’mma have to push back on the Spence bit being damaged goods. This is something that people came back to say POST Crawford win. The fact of the matter is A LOT of people were building up the fight to be 50/50 when it got signed (despite it being a little late in many people’s opinions). Spence beating Garcia as a comeback fight dispelled any rumors of him being chinny or shot. Whether or not he’s truly just completely shot we won’t know until he fights again. He connected his own shots in the Bud fight and was legitimately trying but Crawford was just untouchable that night. An entertaining one sided beatdown. Spence would land a single good shot here and there, but Crawford would land 3-4 of his own. It was something like Pacquiao-Margarito.

I’ll be willing to agree with you, however, that Spence collecting belts from each champion is more worthy of praise than collecting all in one shot. Bud’s win over Spence is nothing to scoff at but I understand where you’re coming from in the sense of, “Acquiring each belt individually versus showing up to beat one guy and collecting 3 in 1 or 4 in 1.”

The Indongo fight I don’t agree with. I don go just happened to have the two belts. I’m sure Crawford would’ve gone for undisputed if he already had two in his possession. Was there anybody there currently there that would’ve given him a run for his money? I doubt it.

Again, my just two cents.

Bradley and Cotto are my boys. But I just think Crawford is greater than Bradley and the way he’s looked at 140 and 147 I would’ve picked him against ANYBODY that Bradley beat. I dunno if I could say the same for Bradley.

You’re right about Gamboa, though. He WAS inactive because he (I dunno why) went to 50 cent as a promoter and he got shut out by the establishment and couldn’t get fights. It sucks, cause he was enormously talented.

The Spence fight was never a 50/50 fight and I'm a Spence fan too. I'm going to tell you why outside of the car accident. Lack of discipline outside the ring and draining to make 147. I made a thread before their fight highlighting how Errol said making 147 has been rough for a while. Errol became a heavy drinker outside of the ring for whatever reason, and that took so much away from him. Now, I'm not saying Bud wouldn't have still won but the fact is that the car accident did take a toll on him as well. It was a combination of things but even without the accident, those other 2 factors had him fighting a losing battle against a disciplined gym rate with generational skills. Look at him vs Kell Brook then look at him vs Danny. I was telling my friends that the commentary is trying to paint a picture that's not true. He didn't look the same. But Bud did what he was supposed to do and it was one of the best performances I ever saw.

We will have to agree to disagree because I think the level of competition Bradley beat shows he would destroy anybody on Bud's resume and the same can't be said for Bud. I also think Bradley's opponents are levels above the competition. Bud has never beaten a Marquez and definitely not a Pacquiao. I rate Bradley beating Devon higher than any fight on Bud's resume other than Spence.

Gamboa went to 50 cent because at the time him and Floyd had the TMT thing which was supposed to be what PBC is basically but Fif and Floyd fell out so Gamboa was just sitting there with somebody who had 0 promoter experience. And yes it does suck because Gamboa was special

[hugh grant]

He was ranked #5-10 on every P4P list in the damn world, stop

just because he was don't mean he's deserving. Many people get credit for things they're not worthy of. What killers he fought?