Zhang Knocked Out MMA GOAT Poatan in sparring...

[TMLT87]

fedor was roided to the gills.


which is why he came over to the US with drug testing and got KOed by a 40 yo middleweight.


his legacy is in tatters

That 40 year old MW is like top 15 all time p4p tbf.

Its true a lot of those Pride guys seemed to decline overnight in other orgs. Although in Fedors case he did have 30+ fights of mileage to take into consideration as well.

[Willow The Wisp]

Not on board with the invented relevance of what fights are doing past the age of 36, unless you're George Foreman.....or Zhilei Zhang.

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That 40 year old MW is like top 15 all time p4p tbf.

Its true a lot of those Pride guys seemed to decline overnight in other orgs. Although in Fedors case he did have 30+ fights of mileage to take into consideration as well.

so top 15 ATG > Fedor


he could never be goat

[TMLT87]

so top 15 ATG > Fedor


he could never be goat

Like I said a few posts back i'd have him third all time.

Going 10 years and 30+ fights undefeated is pretty ****ing impressive. Even more so when you take into account that he was a pretty small HW and its MMA where its so easy for someone to throw a Hail Mary and score an upset.

I still think next to Jones hes probably the most skilled HW ever, and one of the quickest too. But yeah, his drop off once he started competing in America consistently was pretty brutal. May well be something to do with PEDs, but probably also mileage and age. His chin and strength seemed to decline quickly and significantly. Lets not forget Hendo and Werdum were both in Pride when Fedor was there and neither of them were anywhere near as successful as him too.

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Like I said a few posts back i'd have him third all time.

Going 10 years and 30+ fights undefeated is pretty ****ing impressive. Even more so when you take into account that he was a pretty small HW and its MMA where its so easy for someone to throw a Hail Mary and score an upset.

I still think next to Jones hes probably the most skilled HW ever, and one of the quickest too. But yeah, his drop off once he started competing in America consistently was pretty brutal. May well be something to do with PEDs, but probably also mileage and age. His chin and strength seemed to decline quickly and significantly. Lets not forget Hendo and Werdum were both in Pride when Fedor was there and neither of them were anywhere near as successful as him too.

impossible. he got submitted in his prime by Werdum. then he got KOed by a 185 champ and went on a losing streak under drug tested states.


your PED argument doesn't hold up. if he sustained similar success you'd have an argument. he came to US and was drug tested and he was KOed by jabs and 185ers.






Poatan > Fedor

[TMLT87]

impossible. he got submitted in his prime by Werdum. then he got KOed by a 185 champ and went on a losing streak under drug tested states.


your PED argument doesn't hold up. if he sustained similar success you'd have an argument. he came to US and was drug tested and he was KOed by jabs and 185ers.






Poatan > Fedor

How was he in his prime? he was 30+ fights into his career and 5+ years removed from his most defining fights. People had been questioning if he was in decline already from the Arlovski and Rogers performances too.

Werdum lost in Pride to Big Nog, who Fedor beat twice. He also lost in the UFC to Arlovski. Hendo had losses in Pride to two guys Fedor beat as well (Nog and Arona) which suggests the Fedor of 2010/11 had fallen off more than Hendo or Werdum. Are you honestly telling me you'd favour 40 year old Hendo in a Pride ring circa 2005 vs Fedor?

As for Poatan, lol wtf man. Hes very fun to watch but 1-1 with Adesanya, Jiri x2, contentious decision over 40 year old Jan, Strickland and Jamahal Hill is nowhere near being a GOAT contender resume. He benefits a lot from being fast tracked and given stylistically favourable match ups in what are currently pretty weak divisions. He would have been like fringe top 10 at LHW a decade ago.

[Willow The Wisp]

Heavyweights in MMA Rules 1993 - 2024:
1. Fedor Emelianenko 40-7-0. RUS. 6-1. 2
2. Francis Ngannou. 17-3-0. CAM.
3. Stipe Miocic. 20-4-0. US
4. Antonio Robrigo Nogueira. 34-10-1. BRZ
5. Cain Velasquez. 14-3-0. US
6. Fabricio Werdum. 24-9-1. BRZ
7. Jon Jones. 27-1-0. US
8. Junior Dos Santos. 21-10-0. BRZ
9. Randy Couture. 19-11-0. US
10. Josh Barnett. 35-8-0. US
11. Tim Sylvia. 31-10-0. US
12. Vitor Belfort. 26-14-1 BRZ
13. Alistair Overeem. 47-19-0. NET
14. Royce Gracie. 15-2-3. BRZ
15. Ken Shamrock. 28-17-2. US
16. Mirko Filipovic. 38-11-2. CRO
17. Dan Severn. 101-19-7. US
18. Bas Rutten 28-4-1. NET
19. Daniel Cormier 22-3-0. US
20. Frank Mir. 19-13-0. US
21. Andrei Arlovski. 34-22-0. RUS
22. Mark Coleman. 16-10-0. US
23. Igor Vovchanchyn. 55-10-1. UKR
24. Brock Lesnar 5-3-0. US
25. Curtis Blaydes. 17-4-0. US
26. Ryan Bader. 31-7-0. US
27. Travis Browne. 18-7-1. US
28. Semmy Schilt. 26-14-1. NET
29. Ciryl Gane. 12-2-0. FRA
30. Don Frye. 21-9-1. US
31. Dan Henderson. 32-15-0. US
32. Cheick Congo. 31-12-3. FRA
33. Ben Rothwell. 37-14-0. US
34. Kazushi Sakuaba. 26-17-3. JAP
35. Marco Ruas. 9-4-2. BRZ
36. Wanderlei Silva. 35-14-2. BRZ
37. Derrick Lewis. 27-11-0. US
38. Mark Hunt. 13-14-1. NZ
39. Masakatsu Funaki. 40-13-2. JAP
40. Travis Wuiff. 78-22-1. US
41. Alexander Emelianenko. 28-9-1. RUS
42. Alexander Volkov. 38-10-0. RUS
43. Pedro Rizzo. 20-11-0. BRZ
44. Mark Kerr. 15-11-0. US
45. Maurice Smith. 14-14-0. US
46. Kazuyuki Fujita. 18-14-0. JAP
47. Antonio Silva. 19-15-1. BRZ
48. Kevin Randleman. 17-16. US
49. Ricco Rodriguez. 54-27-1. US
50. Jeff Monson. 61-27-2. US

Near miss list (partial):
Shane Carwin. 12-2-0. US
Oleg Taktarov. 17-5-2. RUS
Hidehiko Yoshida. 9-8-1. JAP
Roy Nelson. 23-19-0. US
Sergei Kharitonov. 34-9-2. RUS
Matt Mitrione. 13-9-1. US
Gabriel Gonzaga. 17-12-0. BRZ
Jairzinho Rozenstruik. 13-5-0. SUR
Tom Aspinall. 14-3-0. US
Sergei Pavlovich. 18-3-0. RUS

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How was he in his prime? he was 30+ fights into his career and 5+ years removed from his most defining fights. People had been questioning if he was in decline already from the Arlovski and Rogers performances too.

Werdum lost in Pride to Big Nog, who Fedor beat twice. He also lost in the UFC to Arlovski. Hendo had losses in Pride to two guys Fedor beat as well (Nog and Arona) which suggests the Fedor of 2010/11 had fallen off more than Hendo or Werdum. Are you honestly telling me you'd favour 40 year old Hendo in a Pride ring circa 2005 vs Fedor?

As for Poatan, lol wtf man. Hes very fun to watch but 1-1 with Adesanya, Jiri x2, contentious decision over 40 year old Jan, Strickland and Jamahal Hill is nowhere near being a GOAT contender resume. He benefits a lot from being fast tracked and given stylistically favourable match ups in what are currently pretty weak divisions. He would have been like fringe top 10 at LHW a decade ago.

he was 34. still prime. got choked out. beaten bloody by Silva then KOed by middleweight. His legacy forever tarnished.


his decline coincides directly with drug testing protocols. stop sucking his pole.


his legacy is as good as Wanderlei Silva.

[IronDanHamza]

not necessarily.



Vitor Belfort KOed Holyfield.

50 yo Anderson Silva outboxed Chavez Jr.

some lightweight UFC fighter outboxed Roy Jones Jr.

Where is your source for this claim?

[TMLT87]

he was 34. still prime. got choked out. beaten bloody by Silva then KOed by middleweight. His legacy forever tarnished.


his decline coincides directly with drug testing protocols. stop sucking his pole.


his legacy is as good as Wanderlei Silva.

34 isnt prime usually, people tend to start declining around that time. Also its not just about age, its also mileage. He'd had a ton of fights and he took damage in plenty of them. Getting dropped on his head vs Randleman etc.

How the **** am I sucking his pole by saying he has a greater legacy than ****ing Alex Pereira? lmfao. Its pretty much a consensus opinion. They're not particularly close at this point and probably never will be.

Everyone was on PEDs in Pride, there was literally no testing. Do you think guys like Cro Cop, Randleman, Coleman etc were clean when he fought them?