I think Madrimov retires Crawford

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  • IronDanHamza
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    #61
    Originally posted by MONGOOSE66

    Ive seen high profile boxing coaches who don't comprehend the intricacies of the sweet science. So…
    You haven't seen the outside of your mothers basement you dumb cunt.

    This boxing thing ain't for you.

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    • dan_cov
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      #62
      I originally felt this was a lot tougher than anticipated & while it still might be, the more I see of Madrimov the less impressed I've become.

      There is a lot too like but I see a guy who has stamina issues. I just can not pretend this guy doesn't have obvious stamina issues. I've not seen him badly hurt from body shots but I don't like the way he reacts to them and if Crawford is underrated anywhere its his body-punching ability, I think that is a very underlooked aspect of his game.
      Lot of lunging & he leaves himself wide open at times, gloves by his balls. It makes me wince a little seeing it. He might get away with it at a certain level but someone like Crawford will walk him into nasty counters.

      I think he starts well might even be ahead at the halfway mark but I just don't see Crawford not finding his timing after a few rounds and not breaking him down somewhere in the second half of the fight.
      More versatile, longer, better fundamentals, better timing unless ring rust is a factor and for me its his bodypunching and counterpunching ability that wins this.

      I have Crawford late stoppage but I think its a good fight and despite not having the accolades I feel it would be one of Crawfords best wins.
      Madrimov is a lot better and far more dangerous than Porter & the likes.
      He's a good fighter I just feel there are too many holes in his game and while good he is one-dimensional. He's very good at his style, its effective (at a certain level) but there is no plan B.

      Honestly credit to him because I think Madrimov is easily a guy that could be avoided and Crawford would get a lot more credit in taking on many much worse, less risky foes.

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      • MONGOOSE66
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        #63
        Originally posted by IronDanHamza

        You haven't seen the outside of your mothers basement you dumb cunt.

        This boxing thing ain't for you.
        Sounds to me your speaking from experience or have a mirror. Twats come that way.

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        • Punch on Tap
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          #64
          Originally posted by dan_cov
          I originally felt this was a lot tougher than anticipated & while it still might be, the more I see of Madrimov the less impressed I've become.

          There is a lot too like but I see a guy who has stamina issues. I just can not pretend this guy doesn't have obvious stamina issues. I've not seen him badly hurt from body shots but I don't like the way he reacts to them and if Crawford is underrated anywhere its his body-punching ability, I think that is a very underlooked aspect of his game.
          Lot of lunging & he leaves himself wide open at times, gloves by his balls. It makes me wince a little seeing it. He might get away with it at a certain level but someone like Crawford will walk him into nasty counters.

          I think he starts well might even be ahead at the halfway mark but I just don't see Crawford not finding his timing after a few rounds and not breaking him down somewhere in the second half of the fight.
          More versatile, longer, better fundamentals, better timing unless ring rust is a factor and for me its his bodypunching and counterpunching ability that wins this.

          I have Crawford late stoppage but I think its a good fight and despite not having the accolades I feel it would be one of Crawfords best wins.
          Madrimov is a lot better and far more dangerous than Porter & the likes.
          He's a good fighter I just feel there are too many holes in his game and while good he is one-dimensional. He's very good at his style, its effective (at a certain level) but there is no plan B.

          Honestly credit to him because I think Madrimov is easily a guy that could be avoided and Crawford would get a lot more credit in taking on many much worse, less risky foes.
          I agree with you for the most part. I think Bud will make this fight look easy though. Madrimov is European athletic and choreographs his lunges and leaping punches. He does the same thing over and over, especially the leaning to the left side as part of his defense. Similar to Spence and Andrade.

          Look for a check hook or uppercut, an over hand right hook on Israil’s way out, or some combo of the two.

          Madridov doesn’t have the stamina or professional IQ to keep up with a damn near 37yr old rusty Bud.

          Bomac picked the perfect opponent to combine Buds last three opponents. The southpaw and left leaning tendencies of Spence, the awkwardness of the Eastern Euro herky jerky style of David Ava, and the lunging/leaping of Porter.

          Where I disagree with you is Bud won’t get any credit for beating a 10 fight pro especially because of how he will outclass him down the stretch. No one cares how many amateur fights he had.

          Showcase fight and easy capture of a 154 title.
          Last edited by Punch on Tap; 07-20-2024, 11:54 PM.

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          • elfag
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            #65
            madrimov is no joke. i think its close to a 50-50 fight. if i pick madrimov for the upset crawford will probably kick his ass, so im not sure. but madrimov is no cherry pick at all for his first fight at 154 i am surprised by it and i wonder if crawford and his team will underestimate him


            to put it another way, i think madrimov is a way bigger challenge than spence and that was when we had higher expectations for spence.

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            • Punch on Tap
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              #66
              Originally posted by elfag
              madrimov is no joke. i think its close to a 50-50 fight. if i pick madrimov for the upset crawford will probably kick his ass, so im not sure. but madrimov is no cherry pick at all for his first fight at 154 i am surprised by it and i wonder if crawford and his team will underestimate him


              to put it another way, i think madrimov is a way bigger challenge than spence and that was when we had higher expectations for spence.
              Only thing he has going for him is his awkwardness and Euro level athleticism. Bud will time him and hurt him several times down the stretch. Look for Bud to fight on the backfoot for a while to drain and catch his distance. At about 7-8 he’ll turn it up on him and outclass him.

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              • hugh grant
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                #67
                Surely bud wins. If bud is on Inoues level? People weren't predicting Inoue to lose to fulton, nery, tapalas etc
                Last edited by hugh grant; 07-21-2024, 04:45 AM.

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                  #68
                  Originally posted by GhostofDempsey
                  I haven't seen anything in Madrimov to suggest he'll get anywhere close to beating, let alone retiring Bud. He's a basic, flat-footed brawler.
                  Madrimov is not flat footed at all. He has excellent footwork, foot feints etc..

                  Sounds like you've barely seem him fight.

                  I'm leaning towards Crawford slightly, but calling Madrimov a flat footed brawler is laughable, it's not even close to being true.
                  Last edited by deathofaclown; 07-21-2024, 05:06 AM.

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                    #69
                    Originally posted by hugh grant
                    Surely bud wins. If bud is on Inoues level? People weren't predicting Inoue to lose to fulton, nery, tapalas etc
                    Madrimov is a bigger, younger guy with good skills and power. The latter wasn't really Fulton's strong suit, so he'll have more of a puncher's chance then Fulton did. He's also got some defensive flaws, and I expect Crawford to pick him apart. I'll be very surprised if it makes it past 9, personally. With Inoue, people weren't sure if his power would carry up, and there's always the false narrative that he doesn't fight out of Japan, people were pushing this "he's never fought an athletic American black" line. Well, we saw what happened to Fulton. But people were definitely picking Inoue to lose to Fulton AND Nery, and they're constantly saying he's overrated.

                    I think most people already know Crawford's power will carry up because we've got so much evidence of him hurting bigger guys in sparring, and he's very accurate. He's also got a 5.5" reach advantage over Madrimov and will likely have a speed advantage. I like Madrimov, and have been watching him since he started getting televised, but the issue he's going to have is that everything that's really notable about him, such as being a good switch hitter, Crawford does better, and Madrimov is still very raw. I'm not counting him out entirely, since anything can happen, especially when you've got two guys with heavy hands and a mean streak, but it would be the upset of the year, unless Eubank Jr or Berlanga upsets Canelo.
                    Last edited by crimsonfalcon07; 07-21-2024, 09:24 AM.

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                    • GhostofDempsey
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                      #70
                      Originally posted by deathofaclown

                      Madrimov is not flat footed at all. He has excellent footwork, foot feints etc..

                      Sounds like you've barely seem him fight.

                      I'm leaning towards Crawford slightly, but calling Madrimov a flat footed brawler is laughable, it's not even close to being true.
                      I’ve watched one of his fights and a highlight of another, he plants his feet a lot. His footwork is not great. He is not on the balls of his feet or moving after throwing combos. He has good hands but he will need more than that to beat Crawford.

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