Comments Thread For: Dehydration forces Janibek Alimkhanuly out of Andrei Mikhailovich fight

[Smash]

Sorry to break it to you -- we refer to those as urinals.

u refer to bars as urinals?

[garfios]

Well, I'm not quite that old but according to the movie Raging Bull LaMotta would chew steak for the juices and then spit it out. I've heard others would do similar things. But they would only have about 12 hours to rehydrate as opposed to today when they have about 36 hours. And iv's were not used as far as I know.

Back then was no junior division, so either you make weight for 147, 160 or 175. LaMotta was between 147/160, and probably he did that because that was the science of the day. I prefer a guy right on his weight and not a bully with 20/25 pounds over another. If you do the right diet and exercise, you should be safe fighting in your weight.

[BlackRobb]

He looks to be a very average sized MW and will be small at 168 without having any special attributes. I think he knows he will have nothing at 168 for the top guys.

I agree, but feinting trying to make 160 is not a good sign at all. Similar happened to Ortiz Jr. and he immediately jumped up to 154.

[JLC]

Back in the day? Really? Tell me how

Ummm, draining themselves to make weight. Starving, cardio, not drinking, dehydrating themselves.

it’s a reason they changed the weigh in from same day to previous day, right ?

because fighters were draining themselves to the limit, and then having to fight the same day without ample time to rehydrate their bodies. So, same ****. There have been fighters from every generation doing this. It ain’t nothing new.

[garfios]

Ummm, draining themselves to make weight. Starving, cardio, not drinking, dehydrating themselves.

it’s a reason they changed the weigh in from same day to previous day, right ?

because fighters were draining themselves to the limit, and then having to fight the same day without ample time to rehydrate their bodies. So, same ****. There have been fighters from every generation doing this. It ain’t nothing new.

Do your homework. I'm talking about why it was changed, and boxers of the past fighting in their God given weight. They changed it because money, It's always about money. A least back then boxers did fought at their real weight, one, only 8 divisions, second, sane day weight in. Now you have 16? I lost the count, weights classes and if you have money, you have more advantages to play with the weight.

[PRINCEKOOL]

Sugar Ray Robinson when he was fighting at Welterweight was not coming into the ring on fight at over 160 pounds 'That is what you are trying to claim'.

Ummm, draining themselves to make weight. Starving, cardio, not drinking, dehydrating themselves.

it’s a reason they changed the weigh in from same day to previous day, right ?

because fighters were draining themselves to the limit, and then having to fight the same day without ample time to rehydrate their bodies. So, same ****. There have been fighters from every generation doing this. It ain’t nothing new.

The Toxic Weight Draining Culture, that we see in boxing game today 'Is a completely modern phenomenon, that did not exist in past boxing era's. Any top level boxing historian, will know this'.

But if you believe that fighters used to weight drain themselves, to the extreme's of this modern era 'Put some more information up around here'.

What fighters are you talking about? So when Henry Armstrong fought 27 times in 1 year, he weight drained himself 27 times 'Like certain fighters do today? Past fighters under the same day weigh in rule, did not used weight draining tactics to the extreme's modern fighters have utilized them. That is a 100% fact of boxing history'.

The Toxic Weight Draining Culture, is a completely modern phenomenon 'That has greatly increased, since the introduction of the day before weigh in rule'.

There is no documented history of those methodologies ever being used 'To the extreme's, that we witnessed today in the boxing game'.

If this was a big part of boxing history, why is it not covered in movies about old school fighters? If Sugar Ray Robinson, or Jake LaMotta were weight draining by10-20 pounds in weight before their weigh in's on the same day, why was this not documented in history? It was not documented because it never happened, weight draining to the extent that we witness today was not apart of boxing culture.

Have you seen the movie Raging Bull 1980? 'Awesome cinematic piece, so were are the scenes in that movie which show Jake LaMotta weight draining himself? Yes for sure, like all Athletes who have weight requirements to meet, LaMotta would of been training in a manner to assure that he hit the weight. But fighters in past boxing era's, during the same day weigh in rule were not weight draining themselves to the extreme's that are evident in today's modern boxing era'.

Cinderella Man 2005, another great boxing movie starring Russel Crowe. If fighters in past boxing era's were weight draining themselves to the extent that we see in today's modern game 'Were is the documentation of these practices, and why are these scenes not covered in great detail in all of the great movies portraying past boxing era's? There is no real consistent documentation, and the scenes are not covered in great detail because there was no toxic weight draining culture in past era's of boxing under the same day weigh in rule'.

There are Motor Racing Drivers, who have to compete at a certain weight 'And they are weighed in on the same day as their competitions. They do not weight drain themselves like certain boxers in this modern era, but they most likely train in certain way to compete at that weight. Lets get this right? That is not what is happening in the sport of boxing today within this modern era, when it comes to certain fighters and how they prepare for a fight'.

Note: You need to stop claiming that something is true, and apart of boxing history 'Without any real in-depth investigation'. It has only been since the introduction of 'The same day weigh in rule, have fighters started to take weight draining techniques to the extremes. Sugar Ray Robinson, Jake LaMotta, Rocky Graziano, none of those fighters were weight draining themselves to the extreme of certain fighters in today's modern boxing era'.

Sugar Ray Robinson fight night weight was never 15-20 pounds heavier than his weigh in weight 'Under the same day weigh in rule, there was no toxic weight draining culture in boxing during those era's'.

Here is a boxing coach Dominic Ingle touching upon the difference between fighters, when they would train and fight under the same day weigh in rule.

At the 4 minute 50 second mark, Ingle touches on how fighters did not weight drain themselves during past era's.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8086FLeXmaI

The reasons why, I have posted that video. Is because certain people within the boxing community in this modern era 'Do not want to acknowledge that the Toxic Weight Draining culture that is evident in today's modern boxing era. Is a completely modern phenomenon'.

For your own benefit, I honestly believe that you need to accept this 'If you are a supporter of the sport. Learn the real factual history of the game'.

It is a well known fact, that Floyd Mayweather Junior 'Did not used weight draining tactics during his career. Mayweather Junior in many area's of his training, used old school training methodologies'.

Other fighters who also had similar training styles, and work ethics from this modern boxing era were 'Bernard Hopkins and Carl Froch'.

Those fighters had solid longevity in their careers, and there seemed to be no sudden and dramatic decreased in their performances 'This was most likely due to a combination of their great work ethics, but also training attitude's and how they prepare for a fight. Not using weight draining tactics to the extreme, over a long duration of time benefited them in many area's of their overall conditioning and well being'.

To conclude: Time and time again, certain people within today's boxing community 'Do not want to accept that the toxic weight draining culture that is evident today in the game, is a completely modern phenomenon'.

People need to accept and acknowledge 'That the extreme's, of the Weight Draining tactics used by certain fighters today. Is a completely modern phenomenon' etc.

[JLC]

The Toxic Weight Draining Culture, that we see in boxing game today 'Is a completely modern phenomenon, that did not exist in past boxing era's. Any top level boxing historian, will know this'.

But if you believe that fighters used to weight drain themselves, to the extreme's of this modern era 'Put some more information up around here'.

What fighters are you talking about? So when Henry Armstrong fought 27 times in 1 year, he weight drained himself 27 times 'Like certain fighters do today? Past fighters under the same day weigh in rule, did not used weight draining tactics to the extreme's modern fighters have utilized them. That is a 100% fact of boxing history'.

The Toxic Weight Draining Culture, is a completely modern phenomenon 'That has greatly increased, since the introduction of the day before weigh in rule'.

There is no documented history of those methodologies ever being used 'To the extreme's, that we witnessed today in the boxing game'.

If this was a big part of boxing history, why is it not covered in movies about old school fighters? If Sugar Ray Robinson, or Jake LaMotta were weight draining by10-20 pounds in weight before their weigh in's on the same day, why was this not documented in history? It was not documented because it never happened, weight draining to the extent that we witness today was not apart of boxing culture.

Have you seen the movie Raging Bull 1980? 'Awesome cinematic piece, so were are the scenes in that movie which show Jake LaMotta weight draining himself? Yes for sure, like all Athletes who have weight requirements to meet, LaMotta would of been training in a manner to assure that he hit the weight. But fighters in past boxing era's, during the same day weigh in rule were not weight draining themselves to the extreme's that are evident in today's modern boxing era'.

Cinderella Man 2005, another great boxing movie starring Russel Crowe. If fighters in past boxing era's were weight draining themselves to the extent that we see in today's modern game 'Were is the documentation of these practices, and why are these scenes not covered in great detail in all of the great movies portraying past boxing era's? There is no real consistent documentation, and the scenes are not covered in great detail because there was no toxic weight draining culture in past era's of boxing under the same day weigh in rule'.

There are Motor Racing Drivers, who have to compete at a certain weight 'And they are weighed in on the same day as their competitions. They do not weight drain themselves like certain boxers in this modern era, but they most likely train in certain way to compete at that weight. Lets get this right? That is not what is happening in the sport of boxing today within this modern era, when it comes to certain fighters and how they prepare for a fight'.

Note: You need to stop claiming that something is true, and apart of boxing history 'Without any real in-depth investigation'. It has only been since the introduction of 'The same day weigh in rule, have fighters started to take weight draining techniques to the extremes. Sugar Ray Robinson, Jake LaMotta, Rocky Graziano, none of those fighters were weight draining themselves to the extreme of certain fighters in today's modern boxing era'.

Sugar Ray Robinson fight night weight was never 15-20 pounds heavier than his weigh in weight 'Under the same day weigh in rule, there was no toxic weight draining culture in boxing during those era's'.

Here is a boxing coach Dominic Ingle touching upon the difference between fighters, when they would train and fight under the same day weigh in rule.

At the 4 minute 50 second mark, Ingle touches on how fighters did not weight drain themselves during past era's.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8086FLeXmaI

The reasons why, I have posted that video. Is because certain people within the boxing community in this modern era 'Do not want to acknowledge that the Toxic Weight Draining culture that is evident in today's modern boxing era. Is a completely modern phenomenon'.

For your own benefit, I honestly believe that you need to accept this 'If you are a supporter of the sport. Learn the real factual history of the game'.

It is a well known fact, that Floyd Mayweather Junior 'Did not used weight draining tactics during his career. Mayweather Junior in many area's of his training, used old school training methodologies'.

Other fighters who also had similar training styles, and work ethics from this modern boxing era were 'Bernard Hopkins and Carl Froch'.

Those fighters had solid longevity in their careers, and there seemed to be no sudden and dramatic decreased in their performances 'This was most likely due to a combination of their great work ethics, but also training attitude's and how they prepare for a fight. Not using weight draining tactics to the extreme, over a long duration of time benefited them in many area's of their overall conditioning and well being'.

To conclude: Time and time again, certain people within today's boxing community 'Do not want to accept that the toxic weight draining culture that is evident today in the game, is a completely modern phenomenon'.

People need to accept and acknowledge 'That the extreme's, of the Weight Draining tactics used by certain fighters today. Is a completely modern phenomenon' etc.

Ray wasn’t ballooning in weight because he didn’t have time to.

obviously if these guys killed themselves to make 140 lbs today and had to go into the ring 4 hours later they wouldn’t balloon up to 160 either.

(some) fighters from all eras used dangerous methods to get themselves down in weight. The DIFFERENCE is in today’s times they have more time to undo the damage since they’re given an extra day to fight. Nothing new under the sun. Doctors , commissions, and historians are all split on the issue and what the best solution is. Regardless, day before weigh ins, or day of weigh ins, both are dangerous for their own reasons when you’re doing extreme **** to make weight.

https://www.ringtv.com/124365-weigh-...e-vs-same-day/

having said that, I respect ALL opinions, including yours, and understand your points and what you’re trying to convey.

[garfios]

Ray wasn’t ballooning in weight because he didn’t have time to.

obviously if these guys killed themselves to make 140 lbs today and had to go into the ring 4 hours later they wouldn’t balloon up to 160 either.

(some) fighters from all eras used dangerous methods to get themselves down in weight. The DIFFERENCE is in today’s times they have more time to undo the damage since they’re given an extra day to fight. Nothing new under the sun. Doctors , commissions, and historians are all split on the issue and what the best solution is. Regardless, day before weigh ins, or day of weigh ins, both are dangerous for their own reasons when you’re doing extreme **** to make weight.

https://www.ringtv.com/124365-weigh-...e-vs-same-day/

having said that, I respect ALL opinions, including yours, and understand your points and what you’re trying to convey.

You're mistaken completely, that's not funny any longer. They used to fight 10, 15, or 20 times a year, they were in shape year-round, and by the end of their career, they would have over 200 fights. You don't know what you're talking about, and my guess is you haven't put too much thought into it. "They didn't have time to put weight", that is your take? Of course not, same-day weight in, you couldn't be fooling around. How about there were only 8 divisions so you needed to fight in your most natural division and be on top shape to go 10 and sometimes 15 rounds.