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  • Rank the top 10 Greatest Latin American Boxers in the Sport's History.

    Examples:

    Mexico:
    Julio Cesar Chavez Sr.
    Salvador Sanchez
    Juan Manuel Marquez
    Erik Morales
    Marco Antonio Barrera
    Ruben Olivares
    Carlos Zarate
    Miguel Canto
    Ricardo Lopez
    Vicente Saldivar
    Alberto Arizmandi
    Rodolfo Casanova
    Humberto Gonzalez
    Juan Francisco Estrada
    Pipino Cuevas
    Gilberto Roman
    Saul Alvarez
    Lupe Pintor
    Jorge Arce
    Rafael Herrera
    Carlos Palomino
    Jose Luis Ramirez

    Puerto Rico:
    Wilfredo Gomez
    Carlos Ortiz
    Felix Trinidad
    Wilfredo Benitez
    Jose Torres
    Hector Camacho
    Edwin Rosario
    Wilfredo Vazquez
    Esteban de Jesus

    Argentina:
    Carlos Monzon
    Nicolino Locche
    Victor Galindez
    Sergio Martinez
    Pascual Perez
    Oscar Bonavena
    Santos Laciar
    Marcos Maidana
    Luis Firpo
    Justo Suarez
    Horacio Accavallo

    Colombia:
    Antonio Cervantes
    Oscar Negrete
    Rodrigo Valdez

    Nicaragua:
    Alexis Arguello
    Roman Gonzalez
    Rosendo Alvarez
    Ricardo Mayorga
    Luis Alberto Lopez
    Eddie Gazo
    Felix Alvarado
    Adonis Rivas
    Cristofer Rosales
    Jose Alfaro

    Cuba:
    Jose Napoles
    Kid Gavilan
    Luis Manuel Rodriguez
    Eligio Sardinas Montalvo: Kid Chocolate
    Sugar Ramos
    Jose Legra
    Benny Paret
    Kid Tunero
    Guillermo Rigondeux
    Joel Casamayor
    Erislandy Lara
    Florentino Fernandez

    Dominican Republic:
    Joan Guzman
    Vilomar Fernandez
    Leonardo Cruz
    Carlos Teo Cruz

    Jamaica:
    Mike McCallum
    Simon Brown
    Glen Johnson
    Trevor Berbick
    Dillian Whyte
    Donovan Ruddock
    Nicholas Walters
    O'Neil Bell
    Gary Mason

    Haiti:
    Adonis Stevenson
    Jean Pascal
    Joachim Alcine
    Bermane Stiverne​

    Panama:
    Roberto Duran
    Panama Al Brown
    Ismael Laguna
    Guillermo Jones
    Hilario Zapata
    Santiago Samaniego
    Vicente Mosquera
    Celestino Caballero

    Brazil:
    Eder Jofre
    Acelino Freitas
    Miguel De Oliveira
    Joao Henrique
    Everaldo Costa Azevedo









    Also think it be interesting if fighters from USA with any of these ethnic background would be included:

    United States:
    Oscar De La Hoya (MX)
    Carlos Ortiz (PR)
    Manuel Ortiz (MX)
    Bobby Chacon (MX)
    Danny Garcia (PR)
    Danny Lopez (MX)
    Michael Carbajal (MX)
    Orlando Canizales (MX)
    Johnny Tapia (MX)
    Mikey Garcia (MX)
    Diego Corrales (CO/MX)
    Genaro Hernandez (MX)
    Mando Ramos (MX)

    (There most be others that I am not aware)

    Last edited by Malvado; 06-26-2024, 02:08 AM.

  • #2
    Really tough to put them in a particular order.

    I’d say Duran, Sanchez, Chavez, Carlos Ortiz and Monzon are all in that top 5 range. Picking the next 5 would be really tough because of who you leave out. I’d say Marquez, gets in, as does Arguello. Morales and Barrera are definitely in that mix as are Benitez and Gomez. As a big Roman Gonzalez fan I’d have to give him a shout out too. Napoles, Jofre and McCallum are all up there too. It’s really tough to just limit it to 10 tbh.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by RJJ-94-02=GOAT View Post
      Really tough to put them in a particular order.

      I’d say Duran, Sanchez, Chavez, Carlos Ortiz and Monzon are all in that top 5 range. Picking the next 5 would be really tough because of who you leave out. I’d say Marquez, gets in, as does Arguello. Morales and Barrera are definitely in that mix as are Benitez and Gomez. As a big Roman Gonzalez fan I’d have to give him a shout out too. Napoles, Jofre and McCallum are all up there too. It’s really tough to just limit it to 10 tbh.
      I agree it's difficult to leave out of a wide array of accomplished of high caliber fighters in just a list of 10 fighters because it feels as if it were to discredit the fighters that don't make it, which shouldn't be the case. It's to sum up how extradionary these proffesional boxers are considering how big the list is.

      I think Vincente Saldivar has accomplished more than Ruben Olivares, Salvador Sanchez, Eder Jofre (who beat Saldivar I am aware) and Carlos Ortiz. But not sure how to rate him without seeing him perform. It is stated stated that Saldivar currently holds the record for the most wins in unified featherweight title to date and the longest unified featherweight championship reign in boxing history at 8 title bouts and 7 title defenses respectively. Saldívar fought in front of the fourth largest crowd ever, 90,000 in Estadio Azteca which is comparable to Chavez's attendance of 136,274 spectators, and has also regularly been cited as one of the finest left-handed fighters of all time.

      Yet, he has not be inducted in the Hall of Fame despite beating Ismael Laguna, Sugar Ramos, Jose Legra, Howard Winstone x3, and Johnny Famechon retiring the defending Champion who was at age 25. He beat three prime Hall Of Famers in Ramos, Laguna and Famechon. The 60-70s fighter's achievements however mostly went onto obscurity for some reason compared to Ruben Olivares who didn't while being just as famous.

      As for my list it probably start with:

      1. Roberto Duran
      2. Julio Cesar Chavez Sr
      3. Wilfred Benitez OR Wilfredo Gomez
      4. Carlos Monzon
      5. Morales, Barrera or Marquez.

      Might think otherwise in the future however, have to watch more on the most recognizable fighters. If De La Hoya (from USA I am aware) was included he be ranked 3 and the rest would be 1 number below from their current standing.
      Last edited by Malvado; 06-26-2024, 02:52 PM.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Feroz View Post

        I agree it's difficult to leave out of a wide array of accomplished fighters in just a list of 10 fighters.

        I think Vincente Saldivar has accomplished more than Ruben Olivares, Salvador Sanchez, Eder Jofre (who beat Saldivar I am aware) and Carlos Ortiz. But not sure how to rate him without seeing him perform.

        It is stated stated that Saldivar currently holds the record for the most wins in unified featherweight title to date and the longest unified featherweight championship reign in boxing history at 8 title bouts and 7 title defenses respectively. Saldívar fought in front of the fourth largest crowd ever, 90,000 in Estadio Azteca which is comparable to Chavez's attendance of 136,274 spectators, and has also regularly been cited as one of the finest left-handed fighters of all time.

        Yet, he has not be inducted in the Hall of Fame despite beating Ismael Laguna, Sugar Ramos, Jose Legra, Howard Winstone x3, and Johnny Famechon retiring the defending Champion who was at age 25. He beat three prime Hall Of Famers in Ramos, Laguna and Famechon. The 60-70s fighter's achievements however mostly went onto obscurity for some reason compared to Ruben Olivares who didn't while being just as famous.

        As for my list it probably start with:

        1. Roberto Duran
        2. Julio Cesar Chavez Sr
        3. Wilfred Benitez OR Wilfredo Gomez
        4. Carlos Monzon
        5. Morales, Barrera or Marquez.

        Might think otherwise in the future however, have to watch more on the most recognizable fighters. If De La Hoya was included he be ranked 3 and the rest would be 1 number below from their current standing.
        It comes down to preference too, I’m not that familiar with Saldivar for example, I’ve seen his record and being a Brit I’ve seen clips of the Winstone fight but I would openly admit I’m no expert on his career.

        Sanchez is hard to rate because we never got to see how great he could have been for obvious reasons, what he achieved by the age of 23 is incredible though and in terms of the eye test, I felt he was beautiful to watch, fought in such a nice rhythm- again that’s preference.

        I didn’t include the US-Latino guys tbh. If I did Oscar definitely makes my top 10. Because of his celebrity status people often forget how good of a fighter he was. That mofo fought EVERYONE too. Despite being a superstar who could’ve easily picked and chosen his opponents a lot more carefully. Had he stayed away from the drink and drugs, kept his weight down, Oscar could’ve been an upper echelon ATG IMO, he admittedly didn’t live the life though.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by RJJ-94-02=GOAT View Post
          Really tough to put them in a particular order.

          I’d say Duran, Sanchez, Chavez, Carlos Ortiz and Monzon are all in that top 5 range. Picking the next 5 would be really tough because of who you leave out. I’d say Marquez, gets in, as does Arguello. Morales and Barrera are definitely in that mix as are Benitez and Gomez. As a big Roman Gonzalez fan I’d have to give him a shout out too. Napoles, Jofre and McCallum are all up there too. It’s really tough to just limit it to 10 tbh.
          Love that inclusion of Carlos Ortiz, not usually mentioned and easily should be.

          Mine would be in no order;

          Roberto Duran
          Carlos Ortiz
          Julio Cesar Chavez
          Alexis Arguello
          Carlos Monzon

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          • #6
            Originally posted by IronDanHamza View Post

            Love that inclusion of Carlos Ortiz, not usually mentioned and easily should be.

            Mine would be in no order;

            Roberto Duran
            Carlos Ortiz
            Julio Cesar Chavez
            Alexis Arguello
            Carlos Monzon
            Ortiz is the #1 PR fighter for me. Again, I’ll admit I’ve not watched masses of his fights just a select few but really liked what I saw and his resume is stacked. Laguna, Loi, Ramos, Flash Elorde, Brown etc, multiple wins over several of those guys too.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by RJJ-94-02=GOAT View Post

              Ortiz is the #1 PR fighter for me. Again, I’ll admit I’ve not watched masses of his fights just a select few but really liked what I saw and his resume is stacked. Laguna, Loi, Ramos, Flash Elorde, Brown etc, multiple wins over several of those guys too.
              His resume is unbelievable.

              He beat Locche too accoding to most.

              He's one of the most underrated fighters ever.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by RJJ-94-02=GOAT View Post

                It comes down to preference too, I’m not that familiar with Saldivar for example, I’ve seen his record and being a Brit I’ve seen clips of the Winstone fight but I would openly admit I’m no expert on his career.

                Sanchez is hard to rate because we never got to see how great he could have been for obvious reasons, what he achieved by the age of 23 is incredible though and in terms of the eye test, I felt he was beautiful to watch, fought in such a nice rhythm- again that’s preference.

                I didn’t include the US-Latino guys tbh. If I did Oscar definitely makes my top 10. Because of his celebrity status people often forget how good of a fighter he was. That mofo fought EVERYONE too. Despite being a superstar who could’ve easily picked and chosen his opponents a lot more carefully. Had he stayed away from the drink and drugs, kept his weight down, Oscar could’ve been an upper echelon ATG IMO, he admittedly didn’t live the life though.
                I quite agree on the De La Hoya point and Howard Winstone Analogy.

                I am aware it's difficult to rate Sanchez considering he didn't get to do everything he had to. It is indeed shocking what Sanchez accomplished at such a young age, appearantly he was planning retirement to become a doctor after a fight Alexis Arguello at lightweight (two divisions above) was in the works. If he had won I think that he be rated number 3-4 in the list. He had quite a complete skill set for a counter puncher with illusive defense/footwork. Though his overconfidence affected him against lower ranked opposition, making it more competitive than it had to against Ruben Castillo and Pat Cowdell.

                I think to rate such fighters It's not only accomplishments to take note on but based on the fighter's performance that should be taken into account, because it's not an easy thing for a fighter to get similar opportunities to happen.

                Marquez's win over an ATG like Pacquiao is grand in comparison of Chavez's biggest wins over Rosario or Camacho, but I can't quite picture Marquez doing that well against Chavez Sr. In his defense championship streak he faced a wide array of skills, mostly performing quite well most of the time, 14 out of 15 champions he beat where in their physical prime just to note. Along with multiple title challengers. Whereas Marquez's performances are quite varied due to stylistic advantages or disadvantages. Of course he is mostly complete fighters with exceptional qualities not to be underrated, he can cut the ring against Joel Casamayor and fight in the backfoot against Pacquiao. But I think his achievement had to do more with having the right qualities to this specific fighter. Whereas Chavez just didn't have an opponent like Marquez had Pacquiao at his best.
                Last edited by Malvado; 06-26-2024, 03:40 PM.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by IronDanHamza View Post

                  His resume is unbelievable.

                  He beat Locche too accoding to most.

                  He's one of the most underrated fighters ever.
                  Do you recommend any performances I could watch for Carlos Ortiz against a top opponent or perhaps from other fighters like Arguello?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Feroz View Post

                    I quite agree on the De La Hoya point and Howard Winstone Analogy.

                    I am aware it's difficult to rate Sanchez considering he didn't get to do everything he had to. It is indeed shocking what Sanchez accomplished at such a young age, appearantly he was planning retirement to become a doctor after a fight Alexis Arguello at lightweight (two divisions above) was in the works. If he had won I think that he be rated number 3-4 in the list. He had quite a complete skill set for a counter puncher with illusive defense/footwork. Though his overconfidence affected him against lower ranked opposition, making it more competitive against Ruben Castillo and Pat Cowdell.

                    I think to rate such fighters It's not only accomplishments but based on the fighter's performance that should be taken into account, because it's not an easy thing for a fighter to get similar opportunities to happen.

                    Marquez's win over an ATG like Pacquiao is grand in comparison of Chavez's biggest wins over Rosario or Camacho, but I can't quite picture Marquez doing that well against him. In his defense championship streak he faced a wide array of skills, mostly performing quite well most of the time, 14 out of 15 champions where in their physical prime just to note. Along with multiple title challengers.

                    Whereas Marquez's performances are quite varied due to stylistic advantages or disadvantages. Of course he is mostly complete fighters with exceptional qualities not to be underrated, he can cut the ring against Joel Casamayor and fight in the backfoot against Pacquiao. But I think his achievement had to do more with having the right qualities to this specific fighter. Whereas Chavez just didn't have an opponent like Pacquiao at his best.
                    Yeah there’s so many factors do you go off their peak performance, longevity, accomplishments, resume etc. So many factors and no definitive answer really.

                    I’m a massive Sanchez fan, I love that style, one of the reasons I had to include Roman Gonzalez as I believe he has a similar style to Sal.

                    A hypothetical win over Arguello puts him in very select company, would’ve been a big ask though, don’t have their heights to hand but based off memory, Arguello would’ve been a lot bigger and he was so dangerous too.

                    I always felt had Sanchez survived he would’ve inevitably fought Chavez around the mid to late 80’s, that would’ve been an absolute mega fight for the Mexicans. I’d confidently pick Sal to win that one- not sure he gets the decision though.

                    Marquez was a really intelligent fighter, very good at adjusting, had a tremendous will to win too, look at that first Pacquiao fight where he looked completely out of his depth in round 1 but dragged himself back into the fight and very nearly won it. Stylistically speaking though he was far better with aggressive fighters he could counter rather than movers or defence first guys. Ultimately as we know, styles make fights.
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