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  • #21
    Ken Norton is a all-time great Heavyweight fighter. Stylistically? I believe he had enough physical strength, combined with elite level skills 'And a awkward style defensively to compete with Muhammad Ali'.

    Muhammad Ali fought a peak Ken Norton three times, and immediately made the rematch after losing the first fight.

    Muhammad Ali won the second fight for sure, it is the third fight which 'Was the closest fight in my opinion'.

    Norton vs Ali 'Ali vs Norton, was a underrated trilogy. And it was one of the most historically significant battles of the 70s, because? It was during the rematch were Muhammad Ali realized that he needed to alter his style, in order to stay competitive within the Heavyweight Division'.

    The conditioning of both fighters for the second fight was supreme, I have always suspected that both Norton and Ali may have been slightly over trained.

    Note: Ken Norton and Joe Frazier were very durable fighters, but? Their durability had a threshold 'And once that threshold was breached, that seemed to be catastrophic for them during fights. If a fighter could not breach that threshold, then it was extremely difficult to beat them'.

    Ken Norton proved this vs Muhammad Ali, and Larry Holmes 'Check out round 15 of Holmes vs Norton, that fight was the coronation of Larry Holmes. They say that the 1970's was when Heavyweight Giants walked the face of the earth, that night Larry Holmes fought one of the Heavyweight Giants of the 1970's in Ken Norton. All-time great fight'.

    Muhammad Ali was a solid Heavyweight puncher, was proven by his resume 'Muhammad Ali was the only fighter to deck and stopped George Foreman. Muhammad Ali decked and stopped Ron Lyle, and was the only fighter to knock out Oscar Bonavena'.

    Muhamad Ali could deal with Ken Norton, they fought three times 'And Ali won two fights. But? Like I stated before, if you do not breach Ken Norton's durability threshold then most likely it will be very difficult for the opponent to beat him'.

    I don't really think there is any Heavyweight active now, with the combination of power and skill to breach Ken Norton's durability threshold 'Anthony Joshua would be the closest fighter to having those combined abilities'.

    Stylistically Ken Norton in my opinion would be a extremely difficult fight for Oleksandr Uysk, it is quite clear to see which type fighters would challenge Uysk.

    To conclude: If a fighter was unable to break the durability threshold of Ken Norton 'Then it was most likely going to be extremely difficult to beat him. Norton had a combination of brute strength, durability, solid jab, and power'.

    I.E Tyson Fury's durability threshold can be breached, but? Historically every time Fury's durability threshold has been breach 'That is when Fury's recuperative powers take over'. This is what I mean by a durability threshold, certain fighters have a very high durability threshold but then their recover powers are maybe not as high'.

    Muhammad Ali, Evander Holyfield are fighters who also had top level durability combined with recover powers etc.



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    • #22
      Once upon a time, in an era far far away, the best fought the best. At their very best.
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      • #23
        Originally posted by Dodger07 View Post

        Disagree, MGK scored a knockdown and did better than expected but Eminem came back and got the late KO
        Agreed. MGK fought out of his skin though and made a fist of it in the song battle. Maybe a second bowl of cereal would have fuelled him to victory. Nash out
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        • #24
          Norton was a skilled, strong, athletic guy. His main weakness was to big punchers, which Ali was not.
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          • #25
            Let’s not forget about Ken Norton’s cross-arm guard defense. Which was also a variation of the Philly Shell/ Shoulder roll defense which always gave Ali fits.

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