I cant stand some of these ***ing fraud mexican-american fighters

[ReadyUp]

Moving up a division wasn't the issue.

Moving up was for sure in issue. Your an idiot if you don't think that.

I totally agree that Mayweather's style is all wrong for Marquez because of Marquez's SIZE. But had Marquez at least been the same size to where he could effectively use the jab it could have made it more competitive.

Was Mayweather was the bigger fighter? For sure. Bigger in both height and weight. De La Hoya, who is taller, could effectively use the jab on Mayweather. Marquez, noticeably shorter, jab was just hitting air. If Marquez was the same size as Mayweather or De La Hoya do you think he would have been getting ****d by the pull-counters? No. He'd still be hit with it because Mayweather's a great fighter. But nowhere near the way he was abused with it.

Was Mayweather the faster fighter? Of course, he's naturally faster than Marquez but add in the fact that Marquez was carrying more weight than he was used to and it just adds more to Mayweather's advantage.

Hey, I'm not saying that Marquez had much of a shot at Mayweather in any weight class of his career but let's not confuse the facts. The weight only added more advantages to Mayweather.

[Al Haymon]

Was Mayweather was the bigger fighter? For sure. Bigger in both height and weight. De La Hoya, who is taller, could effectively use the jab on Mayweather. Marquez, noticeably shorter, jab was just hitting air. If Marquez was the same size as Mayweather or De La Hoya do you think he would have been getting ****d by the pull-counters? No. He'd still be hit with it because Mayweather's a great fighter. But nowhere near the way he was abused with it.
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Did Mayweather, who was smaller, put hands on Oscar? Yes

Did Marquez, who was smaller, put hands on Floyd? No

Mayweather would dust Marquez at any weight.

[jrosales13]

Moving up was for sure in issue. Your an idiot if you don't think that.

I totally agree that Mayweather's style is all wrong for Marquez because of Marquez's SIZE. But had Marquez at least been the same size to where he could effectively use the jab it could have made it more competitive.

Was Mayweather was the bigger fighter? For sure. Bigger in both height and weight. De La Hoya, who is taller, could effectively use the jab on Mayweather. Marquez, noticeably shorter, jab was just hitting air. If Marquez was the same size as Mayweather or De La Hoya do you think he would have been getting ****d by the pull-counters? No. He'd still be hit with it because Mayweather's a great fighter. But nowhere near the way he was abused with it.

Was Mayweather the faster fighter? Of course, he's naturally faster than Marquez but add in the fact that Marquez was carrying more weight than he was used to and it just adds more to Mayweather's advantage.

Hey, I'm not saying that Marquez had much of a shot at Mayweather in any weight class of his career but let's not confuse the facts. The weight only added more advantages to Mayweather.

I agree with this whole post. Great job. Green K for you for...

[MaYaN_SuN]

Did Mayweather, who was smaller, put hands on Oscar? Yes

Did Marquez, who was smaller, put hands on Floyd? No

Mayweather would dust Marquez at any weight.

lol Wow. You Floyd fans are some the dumbest ****in people I've seen try to talk boxing.

I mean when you can no longer see the blatant, and the obvious, due to excessive nuthuggery, lol at that point you should really consider keeping your thoughts to yourselves. It would save yourselves the embarrassment. But than again, maybe you kids are just natrually flat out ******ed

[ThePunchingBag]

What I learned from this thread is that race is divisive, so let's all share cultures and be united as human beings.

[Zarco]

As a Mexican-American who doesn't speak a word of spanish, screw you.

When I go to the gym, I feel a strong sense of pride to perform well to honor my Mexican heratige. Do you feel the same way about your German heratige?
Like you need to over-perform to uphold the good name of your ancestry? I know those that came before me and the "don't quit" attitude so that's something I have in the back of my head when I fight.
Do I need to learn Spanish? Of course. I feel like I let Latino's down when the come into my work and I can't communicate with them. It's something I plan to learn.

I've never been to Mexico and I even attended a predominantly white school. But I guarantee you, that no one feels more pride about their bloodlines and heratige than I do. I promise you that.

i was not refering to you. i was refering to mexican-americans that dont give a **** about their heritage but start representing it with money on their mind.
your family dumps your ass years ago. they dont even care about you. one day you win the lottery and they come running back to you. what do you think? are they coming back to you because of you or your money?

Exactly...

lol This **** is ******ed, if you're decedent of Mexicans and grew up in ****in Endo China, you're still Mexican. As for a loss of heritage or customs, that's just what comes with living in a new territory.

As for Juarez, Rios, and who ever the **** you guys are talkin about.....at least they aren't part German acting like they know what a real Mexican is lmao. I mean seriously, lol what the **** is this exactly?

If Juarez stayed knocked dudes out, you'd probably be on his nuts tighter than a pair of Hanes. And the kid was born here, doesn't know Spanish, but he still has the nerve to throw his roots on his trunks and get in the ring. But that pisses you off? lol Shutttt the **** up.

It's the Mex-American that doesn't even bother addressing who he is that you'd have a point against. Someone who just completely ignores who he is. But these guys, lol you got no ****in place to speak against them.

so why dont you represent your spanish blood? why dont euro americans represent the uk or germany?

You're talking as though Mexican and Mexican-American fight fans follow a fighter mindlessly simply because he wears Mexican colors or has a Mexican flag on his trunks. We deserve more credit than that.

truth is that some boxing fans are patriotic, whats bad about that? but they also are fans of many fighters from all back grounds...that are not greedy fakes.

its part of the business. some are probably not really that patriotic about their country.

pretty much it.

[MaYaN_SuN]

so why dont you represent your spanish blood? why dont euro americans represent the uk or germany?

Some actually do. All over Central and South America the white people migrate back to Spain or Portugal. Even in the states you got people proud that their German or English etc etc.

Why ALL of them don't take pride to every fine detail of who they are is obvious. Some are too mixed and some are just proud to be American or just proud to be Mexican. A lot of us have some Spanish ancestry, but you wouldn't know it unless you took a ****in DNA test.....since that's the only way to see that ****.

[Zarco]

Some actually do. All over Central and South America the white people migrate back to Spain or Portugal. Even in the states you got people proud that their German or English etc etc.

Why ALL of them don't take pride to every fine detail of who they are is obvious. Some are too mixed and some are just proud to be American or just proud to be Mexican. A lot of us have some Spanish ancestry, but you wouldn't know it unless you took a ****in DNA test.....since that's the only way to see that ****.

well what ever dude, the fact is that frauds do exist.

[Al Haymon]

I have to admit:

It is bootleg when you see a Latino or person of Hispanic origin that doesn't speak the language. The bootleggery may have started with the partents who were failures. And it the person is an adult who hasn't learned, then they perpetuated the culture of failure.


By contrast, I respected Tony Gonzalez for making the effort to go learn the language. He dedicated a couple of off-seasons. One in the DR, and he went to actually immerse with a family in Mexico City, I believe.

Language is important. It is an imprint on the mind. It binds people, It brings cultures together.

[ThePunchingBag]

I'm Mexican-American, but I love Chinese culture. I love their ceremonies, food, traditions and language. I even managed to learn Cantonese and a bit of Mandarin a few summers ago. I want to become a top boxer and represent the U.S., but my manager says I have to pander to the Mexican community which I never truly felt apart of. I know Spanish and I've followed Mexican traditions to a tee, but I never placed too much importance in them other than that they were what I grew up with. And yet they never defined who I was. I figured I could be Chinese, American or anything else as long as I immersed myself in the language and culture. Then I began to realize that race did not necessarily have to define who I was as a person. It would only define me if I wanted it to. So I ignored my manager's advice and sold myself as who I was. Not what people choose to label me. I ended up building a fan base of Mexicans anyway, because of my style of fighting and last name, without ever having to put a single Mexican flag or sombrero anywhere on my body.

True Story.