Comments Thread For: Eddie Hearn Does Not Think Deontay Wilder Has 'Belief' Anymore

[boxingitis]

Eddie Hearn doesn't have it anymore, lost 10-0 to Frank. Like Turki said he should retire.

[Blackstarr]

I put it in quotation marks for a reason pal...

And there is a reason Usyk and his team said Fury was a harder fight than AJ and as i've said in multiple threads Fury can adjust his style to beat Usyk.

And he's shown this in every rematch he's had à la fighting almost exclusively southpaw against Chisora in the second fight, going from a boxer to all out aggressor in the second Wilder fight.

He just has to up the work rate, lean on Usyk more, not languish on the ropes, sit down on his punches and throw in combination.

AJ isn't spoken about because he hasn't done anything noteworthy since regaining his titles from Ruiz and that's even somewhat laughable to say...

The late replacement michelin man who was a massive underdog beating him up and making him quit in his first fight outside of the UK was a terrible look.

Saying Fury can change is style is all well and good, but it’s no different to saying that all Dubois and AJ need to do is to be more aggressive and work Usyk’s body more..it’s all easier said than done, and bringing up rematches with Chisora, Wilder, McDermott or whoever to argue Fury’s ability to do the same with Usyk means nothing.

And laugh at AJ all you want, but how come you refuse to put his performances into context apart from when you want to make a point, like comparing their respective performances against Usyk? AJ destroying Wallin and Ngannou isn’t anything to write home about on their own, but it becomes noteworthy when you compare it to Fury’s showing against both.

At the end of the day, AJ has beaten more Ring-rated fighters than Fury and Wilder combined in Klitschko, Povetkin, Pulev, Parker, Ruiz and Wallin, versus just three for Fury (Klitschko, Wilder and Whyte) and only two for Wilder (Stiverne and Ortiz).

So if you’re going to mock AJ, at least be consistent and mock all of them, especially Fury who has the distinction of almost losing to a pro boxing debutant and getting battered around the ring by a supposed “middleweight”, despite having a 40 pound weight advantage, in a fight that could easily have been stopped in the 9th.

[champion4ever]

Hey
Champion4ever You're late...
I've been looking for you in these Wilder loss comments
Wilder's attire wasn't too heavy this time around right?
You think Zhang gloves should be checked?What's up?

There is nothing bad I can say about Zhilei Zhang. I've always favored him to win this fight. So congratulations and fair play to him. Moreover, what an awesome performance and display of punching power?

He has earned my respect. He is a very humbled and decent man; Whom I wish nothing but success in the future. He has definitely earned a new fan in me.

Now as far as Deontay Wilder is concerned; I just wish that he would retire already before he gets seriously hurt. He just doesn't have any fight left in no more.

Those two back-to-back losses to Tyson Fury must have really ruined him both physically and mentally. He is no longer the same fighter. He can no longer let his hands go and both his hand to eye coordination and reflexes have diminished.

Also, by not having Mark Breland in his corner didn't help matters either.

[greeneye99]

There is nothing bad I can say about Zhilei Zhang. I've always favored him to win this fight. So congratulations and fair play to him. Moreover, what an awesome performance and display of punching power?

He has earned my respect. He is a very humbled and decent man; Whom I wish nothing but success in the future. He has definitely earned a new fan in me.

Now as far as Deontay Wilder is concerned; I just wish that he would retire already before he gets seriously hurt. He just doesn't have any fight left in no more.

Those two back-to-back losses to Tyson Fury must have really ruined him both physically and mentally. He is no longer the same fighter. He can no longer let his hands go and both his hand to eye coordination and reflexes have diminished.

Also, by not having Mark Breland in his corner didn't help matters either.

Well IMO
Deontay Wilder should have had a new trainer since the Parker loss
He came in way too light for this encounter if he was heavier and used more Boxing skills and technique he might have performed better against Zhang
Wilder needs a rest to rethink his future in the boxing world
I wish him the best

[Boro]

Saying Fury can change is style is all well and good, but it’s no different to saying that all Dubois and AJ need to do is to be more aggressive and work Usyk’s body more..it’s all easier said than done, and bringing up Chisora, Wilder or whatever fighter vastly inferior to Usyk means nothing.

And laugh at AJ all you want, but how come you refuse to put his performances into context apart from when you want to make a point, like comparing their respective performances against Usyk? AJ destroying Wallin and Ngannou isn’t anything to write home about on their own, but it becomes noteworthy when you compare it to Fury’s showing against both.

At the end of the day, AJ has beaten more Ring-rated fighters than Fury and Wilder combined in Klitschko, Povetkin, Pulev, Parker, Ruiz and Wallin, versus just three for Fury (Klitschko, Wilder and Whyte) and only two for Wilder (Stiverne and Ortiz).

So if you’re going to mock AJ, at least be consistent and mock all of them, especially Fury who has the distinction of almost losing to a pro boxing debutant and getting battered around the ring by a supposed “middleweight”, despite having a 40 pound weight advantage, in a fight that could easily have been stopped in the 9th.

You can say the likes of Wilder and Chisora are vastly inferior but Usyk and his team have said Fury was their hardest opponent to date, also Fury handed Chisora his first loss and it's arguable Chisora pushed Usyk harder than AJ...

I am comparing them in context, Fury had no boxing footage of Ngannou AJ did, Fury had zero sparring against Wallin, amatuer wins or a coach who'd already trained for Wallin specifically against him AJ did...

Klitschko shouldn't of been rated he hadn't won a fight in 2 years and inactive for 18 months, Povetkin got into the top 10 from beating Hammer that's laughable, Pulev got into the ratings beating Rydell Booker, Ruiz got in by spanking AJ the first time, Wallin got in by losing to Fury and lastly Parker is the only one who was in for years...

Let's be real here ratings aren't an indication of anything particularly when you're using them as a way to point out them as credible wins for someone.

Ruiz was in the ratings for an almighty 25 weeks or so when AJ beat him, Schwarz was rated like #2 in the WBA or WBO can't remember which because he had some useless intercontinental belt if you really buy into that crap fair play but as you tried to say to me "at least be consistent".

[Blackstarr]

There is nothing bad I can say about Zhilei Zhang. I've always favored him to win this fight. So congratulations and fair play to him. Moreover, what an awesome performance and display of punching power?

He has earned my respect. He is a very humbled and decent man; Whom I wish nothing but success in the future. He has definitely earned a new fan in me.

Now as far as Deontay Wilder is concerned; I just wish that he would retire already before he gets seriously hurt. He just doesn't have any fight left in no more.

Those two back-to-back losses to Tyson Fury must have really ruined him both physically and mentally. He is no longer the same fighter. He can no longer let his hands go and both his hand to eye coordination and reflexes have diminished.

Also, by not having Mark Breland in his corner didn't help matters either.

In your opinion, how much of Wilder’s drop-off is due to him being in decline versus not being as good as advertised in the first place?

Because to me, Wilder looked the same low-output fighter who would occasionally throw with mean intent, like he did in the 2nd and also the 5th before he got caught. Only difference is Zhang had the chin and skills eat those punches without most of them landing flush, unlike Wilders other opponents, otherwise we’d all be shouting that he was back. Add to that, in hindsight Wilder was getting put over by the same punches that Fury landed on Usyk and other opponents without trouble, which makes me think his punch resistance wasn’t really there in the first place.

Maybe it’s a bit of both, but to me it feels like a lot has come down to false advertising and this sport’s historic tendency to widely overate punchers.

[MulaKO]

Slow Eddie , the same guy who has thrashed Milder for years and now had him as captain lol
Lmfao
Hypocrisy is vivid

[Phase III]

Just like AJ before he was fed an unworthy MMA fighter.

[uppercut510]

its over, he got far in the sport with just a right hand and heart, made some good money just disappear n chill

[Blackstarr]

You can say the likes of Wilder and Chisora are vastly inferior but Usyk and his team have said Fury was their hardest opponent to date, also Fury handed Chisora his first loss and it's arguable Chisora pushed Usyk harder than AJ...

I am comparing them in context, Fury had no boxing footage of Ngannou AJ did, Fury had zero sparring against Wallin, amatuer wins or a coach who'd already trained for Wallin specifically against him AJ did...

Klitschko shouldn't of been rated he hadn't won a fight in 2 years and inactive for 18 months, Povetkin got into the top 10 from beating Hammer that's laughable, Pulev got into the ratings beating Rydell Booker, Ruiz got in by spanking AJ the first time, Wallin got in by losing to Fury and lastly Parker is the only one who was in for years...

Let's be real here ratings aren't an indication of anything particularly when you're using them as a way to point out them as credible wins for someone.

Ruiz was in the ratings for an almighty 25 weeks or so when AJ beat him, Schwarz was rated like #2 in the WBA or WBO can't remember which because he had some useless intercontinental belt if you really buy into that crap fair play but as you tried to say to me "at least be consistent".

I was going purely on Ring-ratings, since sanctioning body rankings often mean nothing and can be bought with a promoter’s help. I’m not going to bother nitpicking resumes like you’ve done because you can do that with every fighter.

That said, this the poorest attempt at nitpicking I’ve seen in a long time and scattered with straight up lies. Povetkin was always a world-class operator with an Olympic gold medal, and was in the rankings long before the Hammer fight. Plus he was on an 8-fight win streak post the Klitschko fight and had never been stopped. Pulev was on a similar streak including beating Chisora, Kevin Johnson and Hughie Fury, yet you arbitrarily pick Booker out of nowhere? Ruiz Jr dropped a contentious majority decision to Parker for the WBO title, so the talent was always there, and was Ring-rated before the first fight with AJ, who had actually been preparing for a fight with Miller before he popped dirty. Are you literally making up this s.hit as you go along?

And your excuse that Fury didn’t spar with Wallin is ridiculous..firstly it was many years ago that AJ fought Wallin as amateurs and fighters change over time. Look at how much good it did Hgorvic battering Dubois in sparring ages ago as a prime example. Same with the Ngannou footage excuse..absolute rubbish and ultimately it boiled down to Fury’s indiscipline, which is a key determinant in a fighter’s ability and standing. Footage or no footage, that performance was shocking and worthy of ridicule.

The fact that you’ve tried to (poorly) nitpick AJ’s resume while ignoring Fury’s and Wilder’s shows you’re being anything but consistent, and your excuses for Fury shows such a wild degree of bias that renders any attempt to have an objective debate meaningless.