Comments Thread For: Anthony Joshua Focuses on Daniel Dubois, But Still Won't Rule Out Deontay Wilder

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The AJ Wilder train left the station a long time ago. It’s a shame we never got to see it before they both lost their 0

[PRINCEKOOL]

No it wasn't the more conclusive win, Fury beat Wlad the technician by outboxing him, AJ had to war with an old man if you think that's more impressive that's crazy, especially when fighters done a much more destructive job on him when he was younger and fresher and didn't have to war with him.

And Joshua didn't bring it into a new era Fury did, he ended the 10 year and 18 defences reign not Joshua but yes give AJ that credit.

You're the one distorting history to fit your narrative because you're infatuated with AJ but gaslight other people for it.

Either way, no one in this era is great just like Wlad/Vitalis era, it's a weak one and no one is stand except possibly Usyk.

Which i've always said, I also thought Hunter would be a problem but when he didn't take the Hgorvic fight he really ruined his career and faded from the public's consciousness.

Anthony Joshua's win over Wladimir Kiltschko was a more conclusive victory 'The ultimate goal of a fighter. Is to render your opponent incapable of fighting back, via knock-out or submission. Anthony Joshua vs Wladimir Kiltschko achieved this feat'.

Further evidence that Joshua's victory was more conclusive, is also seen in how Wladimir Kiltschko behaved in the aftermath of losing the fight 'Wladimir Kiltschko during is career has never lost a rematch. Wladimir Kiltschko had a opportunity to rematch Anthony Joshua, but he chose not to'.

Wladimir Kiltschko vs Anthony Joshua 'Is the greatest Heavyweight title fight of the past 25 years. It surpasses any fight that has occurred since, Wladimir Kiltschko even during a loss gained masses of credit. And he knew that Anthony Joshua was worthy of carrying the mantle as the new premier World Heavyweight Champion'.

Tyson Fury did not conclusively take the Heavyweight Division into a completely new dynasty 'Tyson Fury won one fight over the distance, then disappeared. Tyson Fury pulled out of his scheduled rematch twice vs Wladimir Kiltschko, and then disappeared for almost 3 years'.

A dynasty or reign only occurs when the conqueror or victor stays around to defend his empire or titles 'The facts of boxing history are, that Tyson Fury did not behave in this way as a Champion'.

The Heavyweight Division for 17 months was still in a state of uncertainty 'Wladimir Kiltschko was a Champion for almost 10 years. For 10 years the Heavyweight Division was under Kiltschko occupation'.

Dynasties, empires, only fall after a war 'Tyson Fury won one battle over the distance vs Wladimir Kiltschko then disappeared unfortunately due to his then circumstance. Wladimir Kiltschko was not conquered, he was not beaten up or knocked out 'And at no point in the aftermath of the Fury vs Kiltschko fight, did Wladimir Kiltschko retire'.

It was not up until April 29th 2017, when Anthony Joshua fought Wladimir Kiltschko was the Heavyweight Division conclusively taken into a completely new Dynasty. Not only did Anthony Joshua beat Wladimir Kiltschko, he stayed around to defend his titles. Therefor a new Heavyweight Dynasty had begun, and the Kiltschko era had reached its organic conclusion.

Note: Boro, I am aware that you know? What I am saying is correct. If you genuinely believe that Tyson Fury when he beat Wladimir Kiltschko started a new Heavyweight dynasty, then you are disrespecting all the great Heavyweight World Champions in history. A Champion stays around, and defends his titles 'That is how a dynasty and empire is created'.

The Tyson Fury Heavyweight reign did not start until he beat Deontay Wilder in their second fight 'That reign is now over as of May 18th 2024'.

Tyson Fury right now as we speak, is no longer the WBC World Heavyweight Champion etc.

[Boro]

Anthony Joshua's win over Wladimir Kiltschko was a more conclusive victory 'The ultimate goal of a fighter. Is to render your opponent incapable of fighting back, via knock-out or submission. Anthony Joshua vs Wladimir Kiltschko achieved this feat'.

Further evidence that Joshua's victory was more conclusive, is also seen in how Wladimir Kiltschko behaved in the aftermath of losing the fight 'Wladimir Kiltschko during is career has never lost a rematch. Wladimir Kiltschko had a opportunity to rematch Anthony Joshua, but he chose not to'.

Wladimir Kiltschko vs Anthony Joshua 'Is the greatest Heavyweight title fight of the past 25 years. It surpasses any fight that has occurred since, Wladimir Kiltschko even during a loss gained masses of credit. And he knew that Anthony Joshua was worthy of carrying the mantle as the new premier World Heavyweight Champion'.

Tyson Fury did not conclusively take the Heavyweight Division into a completely new dynasty 'Tyson Fury won one fight over the distance, then disappeared. Tyson Fury pulled out of his scheduled rematch twice vs Wladimir Kiltschko, and then disappeared for almost 3 years'.

A dynasty or reign only occurs when the conqueror or victor stays around to defend his empire or titles 'The facts of boxing history are, that Tyson Fury did not behave in this way as a Champion'.

The Heavyweight Division for 17 months was still in a state of uncertainty 'Wladimir Kiltschko was a Champion for almost 10 years. For 10 years the Heavyweight Division was under Kiltschko occupation'.

Dynasties, empires, only fall after a war 'Tyson Fury won one battle over the distance vs Wladimir Kiltschko then disappeared unfortunately due to his then circumstance. Wladimir Kiltschko was not conquered, he was not beaten up or knocked out 'And at no point in the aftermath of the Fury vs Kiltschko fight, did Wladimir Kiltschko retire'.

It was not up until April 29th 2017, when Anthony Joshua fought Wladimir Kiltschko was the Heavyweight Division conclusively taken into a completely new Dynasty. Not only did Anthony Joshua beat Wladimir Kiltschko, he stayed around to defend his titles. Therefor a new Heavyweight Dynasty had begun, and the Kiltschko era had reached its organic conclusion.

Note: Boro, I am aware that you know? What I am saying is correct. If you genuinely believe that Tyson Fury when he beat Wladimir Kiltschko started a new Heavyweight dynasty, then you are disrespecting all the great Heavyweight World Champions in history. A Champion stays around, and defends his titles 'That is how a dynasty and empire is created'.

The Tyson Fury Heavyweight reign did not start until he beat Deontay Wilder in their second fight 'That reign is now over as of May 18th 2024'.

Tyson Fury right now as we speak, is no longer the WBC World Heavyweight Champion etc.

So then Ruiz more conclusively beat AJ than Usyk following your logic.

Or in general out and out boxers don't ever win conclusively if we're to follow this through to its logical conclusion? how ret@rded...

You can keep repeating this crap about Wlad vs AJ being the best fight in years but it doesn't change the fact it was ONLY good because AJ had to go to the trenches with an old man...

It's just as bad as the idiots who repeat Wilder vs Fury being the best trilogy in history, parroting talkings points don't make them anymore true.

And btw how could the heavyweight division be in a state of uncertainty the instant Fury wins the fight, the logic isn't logic-ing...

He got stripped by the IBF within 10 days of fighting Wlad because he "honored" the rematch (which we know he didn't) rather then fight Glazkov.

I'd also say you're disrespecting champions by classifying AJ as a real champion by beating Martin and Wlad because the Wlad fight was for a vacant title...

Until he beat Parker he didn't even beat a reigning champion who even defended his belt once at the time of fighting them...

And he managed to defend the first belt he won from a REAL champion just once before losing to Ruiz, ironically the guy who the "real" champion could've lost to.

[MoneyKing]

Daniel Dubois will shock the world - the countdown has started.

[PRINCEKOOL]

So then Ruiz more conclusively beat AJ than Usyk following your logic.

Or in general out and out boxers don't ever win conclusively if we're to follow this through to its logical conclusion? how ret@rded...

You can keep repeating this crap about Wlad vs AJ being the best fight in years but it doesn't change the fact it was ONLY good because AJ had to go to the trenches with an old man...

It's just as bad as the idiots who repeat Wilder vs Fury being the best trilogy in history, parroting talkings points don't make them anymore true.

And btw how could the heavyweight division be in a state of uncertainty the instant Fury wins the fight, the logic isn't logic-ing...

He got stripped by the IBF within 10 days of fighting Wlad because he "honored" the rematch (which we know he didn't) rather then fight Glazkov.

I'd also say you're disrespecting champions by classifying AJ as a real champion by beating Martin and Wlad because the Wlad fight was for a vacant title...

Until he beat Parker he didn't even beat a reigning champion who even defended his belt once at the time of fighting them...

And he managed to defend the first belt he won from a REAL champion just once before losing to Ruiz.

Not letting the fight go to the judges, is objectively a more conclusive way of winning 'You know this, stop lying to yourself. That is why Sugar Hill Steward has stated in many boxing interviews, that he aims for Tyson Fury under his tutorship to win via knock-out'.

Boro are you upset that Tyson Fury is no longer the WBC World Heavyweight Champion?

How do you think the rematch with Uysk is going to go? And do you think Fury will ever fight Joshua?

Like I have just told you, I am aware that you know 'What I am saying is correct'. You can deny the truth, objective reality and distort history all you want 'But that does not make it a lie, because the Truth will always remain as that'.

What is your actual opinion on this era, and the competition between the top-4 fighters? I have given my opinion 'I stated a long time ago, way before Fury vs Uysk. That in a drawn out battle, the competition will potentially move back towards both Oleksandr Uysk and Anthony Joshua'.

And nobody can deny as of right now, the competition between the top-4 heavyweights has for sure moved back towards Oleksandr Uysk and Anthony Joshua.

Note: As of May 18th 2024, Tyson Fury is no longer the WBC World Heavyweight Champion 'The Tyson Fury Heavyweight reign which started after he beat Deontay Wilder in their second fight is now over' etc.

[Boro]

Not letting the fight go to the judges, is objectively a more conclusive way of winning 'You know this, stop lying to yourself. That is why Sugar Hill Steward has stated in many boxing interviews, that he aims for Tyson Fury under his tutorship to win via knock-out'.

Boro are you upset that Tyson Fury is no longer the WBC World Heavyweight Champion?

How do you think the rematch with Uysk is going to go? And do you think Fury will ever fight Joshua?

Like I have just told you, I am aware that you know 'What I am saying is correct'. You can deny the truth, objective reality and distort history all you want 'But that does not make it a lie, because the Truth will always remain as that'.

What is your actual opinion on this era, and the competition between the top-4 fighters? I have given my opinion 'I stated a long time ago, way before Fury vs Uysk. That in a drawn out battle, the competition will potentially move back towards both Oleksandr Uysk and Anthony Joshua'.

And nobody can deny as of right now, the competition between the top-4 heavyweights has for sure moved back towards Oleksandr Uysk and Anthony Joshua.

Note: As of May 18th 2024, Tyson Fury is no longer the WBC World Heavyweight Champion 'The Tyson Fury Heavyweight reign which started after he beat Deontay Wilder in their second fight is now over' etc.

No don't care if Tyson retires tomorrow, why would I care if he lost his belt?

Depends on if Fury even shows up but if he shows up and improves in the areas I feel he CAN, he could win but it's not likely.

I think he'll fight AJ, always thought they'd have a fight battle of Britain aka battle of the second tier until Fury rematches Usyk and we get a proper look and we see AJ in with a live body i'm not confident picking a winner yet...

Because neither has fought anyone decent apart from Usyk in years so it's hard to say what will happen.

AJ hasn't fought anyone with a punch who can deliver said punch since Wlad really (helenius can punch but his ability to deliver said punch leaves a lot to be desired).

And Fury has just fought punching bags some with power apart from Usyk since Wlad so we need to see him fight someone with a modicum of ability other than Usyk.

And I don't care who wins either fight, this era is weak Usyk is the only one with the potential to be a first ballot HoF beyond that they're all irrelevant IMO.

[Roberto Vasquez]

That's terrible to call Wlad "pre-retirement" when it's still AJs best win and it was almost 2 years after Fury beat him and 2 years removed from Wlads last win...

And of course Fury is looking worse, like Hatton the constant weight loss and supping of pints and sniffing of lines has caught up to him.

As well as the over reliance on powers of recovery if he was a consummate professional it might be a different discussion but he's not.

Wilder isn't a risk to anyone and hasn't been since the Fury fights and arguably even earlier still.

You could say it's been since the second Stiverne fight where he started buying into the one punch and they're done nonsense.

Neglecting to realise Stiverne was fresh off the couch 2 years out of the ring and 30 pounds over his normal fighting weight...

It's literally a fact because Wlad retried after that fight - then came back to fight AJ, then retired again. I will say Wlad was better against AJ than Fury because he wasn't scared to take risks anymore.

I still think people are underrating Wilder. It wasn't that long since he knocked out Helenius in a round. Then Helenius was a late-stand in for Joshua and gave him a hard fight. Zhang's a huge guy with huge power and a good boxer. Parker could have easily lost him too.

[hugh grant]

Deontay don't necessarily need to retire. But should try to go out on a win. But does deontay really think he'd best josh? So if he loses to josh, he'd need to have another fight to go out on win.

[JakeTheBoxer]

I think Joshua is happy that guys are beating each other so that he can claim being N.3 fighting Franklin level guys.

I will be surprised if he actually fights Zhang or Dubois.

[Boro]

It's literally a fact because Wlad retried after that fight - then came back to fight AJ, then retired again. I will say Wlad was better against AJ than Fury because he wasn't scared to take risks anymore.

I still think people are underrating Wilder. It wasn't that long since he knocked out Helenius in a round. Then Helenius was a late-stand in for Joshua and gave him a hard fight. Zhang's a huge guy with huge power and a good boxer. Parker could have easily lost him too.

Wlad give AJ a hard fight because AJ is a basic bítch, the fact he had to get into a dog fight with Wlad was alarming tbh.

Also don't agree with the Wlad was retired sentiment, now he was out of the ring for near 2 years but he was in training camps for Fury during that time, it had been called off twice, think the first time for an injury and the second time for being deemed medically unfit.

Wilder knocking out Helenius is a nothing burger, he's chinny as hell and despite having good power he can't set it up against anyone with a modicum of skill.

Just like AJ struggling with him isn't an indication of Helenius level AJ has lacked confidence since Ruiz spun him like a ballerina.

Hence why he fought the likes of Franklin (coming off a loss), Wallin (100s of rounds sparring and beaten multiple times as amatuer) and Helenius (would be Whyte) since.

And ultimately the one guy who was good he tried to put off for as long as humanly possible despite Usyk wanting him as soon as he moved up, signing with Matchroom specifically for that reason...

Parker isn't no great shakes though admittedly he seems to be on the ascendancy, he arguably lost to Ruiz and actually the president of the NZPBA stepped down after the fight...

Despite having all the ability in the world, he often chooses the wrong game plan for a given opponent á la Joyce.

And he has no dog in him, despite having the heart to get up repeatedly, you'll never see him chase the fight or stamp his authority on one, he'll just coast if he thinks he's ahead.

Which is a shame because like I said he has ability and he's relatively young for a heavyweight, so you'd assume a young man would try to assert some dominance but he seems way to nice and passive of a guy for this sport tbh.