Comments Thread For: Wilder-Zhang, Hrgovic-Dubois, And The 'Loser Leaves Town' Heavyweight Run

[Sid-Knee]

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Great article.

Just one thing to point out, “Anthony Joshua, who has beaten every opponent he’s faced save for Usyk, is next.”

This line is so ridiculous and silly. It’s what some use to describe Lennox too while wilfully ignoring he got KO’d twice by journeymen.

If AJ faces Usyk a third time and manages to win, we’ll be hearing that shït for a long time - “AJ has beaten every opponent he’s faced”! What a croak of shïte.

Calzaghe, Floyd, Marciano beat everyone they faced. That is a true statement

Huh???

AJ has beaten everyone he's faced other than Usyk. That's just a straight fact. The same goes for Lennox who did in fact, beat every fighter he ever faced. He beat them both in rematches. It doesn't stop being true due to losing the first fights by stoppage. But not only that, Rahman and McCall weren't journeymen. They weren't even close to being so. Americans just like the sound of it because it discredits Lennox. Then you add in the fact of the circumstances, it's a completely different story.

[Sid-Knee]

Yep, every single one.
Allow me to add Andre Ward to the list. Never lost a pro fight and had among the best ring IQ and will to win of any of the ATGs in my opinion.

Ward lost to Kovalev.

[Sid-Knee]

In terms of 'superstar' rankings yeah sure.

Brits love their big black muscle men and go all starry eyed at the mere mention of Princess Joshy.

Glad we cleared up that Joshua's 'boxing' ranking isn't because of recent results otherwise Parker would be above him.

I love your bitterness even after all this time.

No one sees AJ as bigger than the torment that goes on in your head.

And was that projection i see in the "Loving big black men" comment??? I think it was. Big black studs is the other way. This is a boxing website.

[pollywog]

I love your bitterness even after all this time.

No one sees AJ as bigger than the torment that goes on in your head.

And was that projection i see in the "Loving big black men" comment??? I think it was. Big black studs is the other way. This is a boxing website.

I imagine those skiddy undies i sent will have lost their flavour with the amount of sniffing you do.

You wanna re-up ?

[Oregonian]

Huh???

AJ has beaten everyone he's faced other than Usyk. That's just a straight fact. The same goes for Lennox who did in fact, beat every fighter he ever faced. He beat them both in rematches. It doesn't stop being true due to losing the first fights by stoppage. But not only that, Rahman and McCall weren't journeymen. They weren't even close to being so. Americans just like the sound of it because it discredits Lennox. Then you add in the fact of the circumstances, it's a completely different story.

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Yes and AJ also got KTFO by Ruiz.
Proclaiming a boxer beat everyone he faced is like saying he was undefeated. Sure he did win the rematch like Lennox but they were both KO’d by nondescript guys. What exactly did Rahman do after Knocking out the great Lewis?

[Tecnoworld]

If wilder wins it's just for a superpunch otherwise Zhang is more skilled.

Best match here is hrgovic dubois.

[Toffee]

Proclaiming a boxer beat everyone he faced is like saying he was undefeated.

No. If they wanted to claim he was undefeated then they'd say that. It's why the phrase exists.

Joshua has beaten everyone he's faced except for Usyk.

You're right that he did lose to Ruiz, but took the immediate rematch and beat him comfortably. As he should have done the first time.

[Left Hook Louie]

Ward lost to Kovalev.

And yet his pro record stands at 32-0.
Funny how that works, init?

[Oregonian]

No. If they wanted to claim he was undefeated then they'd say that. It's why the phrase exists.

Joshua has beaten everyone he's faced except for Usyk.

You're right that he did lose to Ruiz, but took the immediate rematch and beat him comfortably. As he should have done the first time.

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Someone here described it best, it’s a wordplay propaganda!
And people that use it do so to prop their favorite guys. Let’s take a look what you wrote above - “As he should have done the first time”.

That right there is a biased statement. You wanted AJ to win and even after he lost, you still go with the “he should have won the first time”. Well, he did not.

He got beat by Usyk and you probably hoped he won the rematch but he didn’t.

It appear AJ might fight Usyk a third time, if he wins, are we going to be describing his career as “he beat everyone he faced”?
Ryan Garcia may get a rematch with Tank and if he wins and retires, are we going to say the same thing and leave out the part where he was knocked out and failed a drug test?
If Spence was to get a rematch with Crawford at 154 and somehow wins, are we going to say the same thing and ignore the fact that he got beat up like a pińata by Crawford?

There is a reason why the old adage of The pen is mightier than the sword is incredibly true. The pen changes opinions. Look at the genocide happening in ****. The media has convinced a lot of us that there is no genocide and it’s a just war. Is it?
Pardon my apples to oranges comparison

[Toffee]

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Someone here described it best, it’s a wordplay propaganda!
And people that use it do so to prop their favorite guys. Let’s take a look what you wrote above - “As he should have done the first time”.

That right there is a biased statement. You wanted AJ to win and even after he lost, you still go with the “he should have won the first time”. Well, he did not.

He got beat by Usyk and you probably hoped he won the rematch but he didn’t.

It appear AJ might fight Usyk a third time, if he wins, are we going to be describing his career as “he beat everyone he faced”?
Ryan Garcia may get a rematch with Tank and if he wins and retires, are we going to say the same thing and leave out the part where he was knocked out and failed a drug test?
If Spence was to get a rematch with Crawford at 154 and somehow wins, are we going to say the same thing and ignore the fact that he got beat up like a pińata by Crawford?

There is a reason why the old adage of The pen is mightier than the sword is incredibly true. The pen changes opinions. Look at the genocide happening in ****. The media has convinced a lot of us that there is no genocide and it’s a just war. Is it?
Pardon my apples to oranges comparison

I will pardon the genocide comparison.

Maybe it is 'wordplay propaganda'. But it's also just an opinion. And the opinion that Joshua, a future HoFer, should have beaten Ruiz, a future circular hole in the ground, doesn't seem particularly biased to me. I can back that up.

I don't have to caveat every single statement I make. It would make for some pretty lengthy essays.

I believe it's true that Joshua has been better than every man he has faced... with one exception. That exception is the best of the era.