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  • Benncollinsaad
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    #11
    I don't see Judah as a puncher, just a guy who throws fast combinations that can hurt you.

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    • Syf
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      #12
      Originally posted by Tom Flores
      147, where many people though he lost already.


      At the very least,

      Pac moved up, to fight Ricky at his best weight where he was undefeated.



      The JMM fight should tell you why Floyd made Ricky go up.
      7 lbs? His walk around weight generously exceeds that. A few adujustments to his diet and training regimen and thats not a problem at all!

      Overall, people fixate too much on weight. With JMM you could have a case, granted, although it was JMM who decided to move up, Floyd didn't force him to come to 144, he wanted to, to chase Pac, remember? Plus, I don't hear crying about Haye fighting someone 100 lbs bigger, for that matter. But the rest of these liens put on Floyd's victories? nah. Floyd was the smaller guy throughout a large portion of, if not most of, his career.

      As for their fight, Hatton looked comfortable at that weight and looked sharp in there, was undefeated and did not believe he could lose, with a whole country of fanatic fans behind him, singing.

      It was a great victory for Floyd, no one will ever convince me otherwise. Far more important than a couple of pounds is the mentality a fighter has. Floyd was the one that shattered that, bar none.

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      • larry x
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        #13
        so judah(a guy he beat up to the point of frustration)is the reason he wont fight mosley??? damn the haters get dumber every day

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          #14
          Originally posted by Syf
          7 lbs? His walk around weight generously exceeds that. A few adujustments to his diet and training regimen and thats not a problem at all!

          Overall, people fixate too much on weight. With JMM you could have a case, granted, although it was JMM who decided to move up, Floyd didn't force him to come to 144, he wanted to, to chase Pac, remember? Plus, I don't hear crying about Haye fighting someone 100 lbs bigger, for that matter. But the rest of these liens put on Floyd's victories? nah. Floyd was the smaller guy throughout a large portion of, if not most of, his career.

          As for their fight, Hatton looked comfortable at that weight and looked sharp in there, was undefeated and did not believe he could lose, with a whole country of fanatic fans behind him, singing.
          Collazo proved that Hatton did not belong at 147. Yes it was just 7lbs. But, before the Floyd fight. Collazo proved Hatton did not belong. That is why they don't give him credit. Especially when you had tougher fighters out there. Like Mosley, Cotto, Margarito, Cintron, Williams, and Clottey. All of them would of destroyd Hatton at 147. Quintana probably would of outboxed him too. I however give credit to Floyd on how he won. Not that he won. Cuz I already know he was going to win. Hatton at 147 is not elite. But, I give him credit for stopping Hatton.

          Originally posted by Syf
          It was a great victory for Floyd, no one will ever convince me otherwise. Far more important than a couple of pounds is the mentality a fighter has. Floyd was the one that shattered that, bar none.
          It was not a great victory for Floyd. Hernandez, Vargas Chavez, Corrales, Manfreddy, and Castillo. Those were great wins for Floyd. Collazo is the one who shattered Hatton mentally at 147. What Floyd did was just verify that Hatton did not belong at 147. Hatton was undefeated at 140. Mentally Hatton was strong at 140. And, Pac destroyed him so bad that he don't even know if he wants to keep on fighting.

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          • ILLuminato
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            #15
            Originally posted by larry x
            so judah(a guy he beat up to the point of frustration)is the reason he wont fight mosley??? damn the haters get dumber every day
            Check out the first half of the fight. Mosley isn't a frontrunner like Judah...he gets stronger.

            Originally posted by Benncollinsaad
            I don't see Judah as a puncher, just a guy who throws fast combinations that can hurt you.
            I see Mosley as a puncher who throws fast combinations that can put you to sleep

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            • icantbox
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              #16
              I agree with the guys that have stated Ricky wasn't the same after fighting Floyd. I also have beliefs that his father was a crap trainer and was looking towards a future with his son, but that's beside the point. The Ricky Hatton that was a dominant force at 140 left us after the sixth round of the Mayweather fight. He was still there at the start when he knocked Floyd off balance. He was still there after he showed the cut didn't bother him. He was still there when he mooned Floyd and Cortez. After he started getting rocked in the 6th and 7th, that was the end.

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              • larry x
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                judah won 3 rounds and got punished the rest of the fight...people kill me..how many fighters havent lost some rounds..whats great about floyd is he learns from his mistakes and adjusts..that was a masterpeice and people overlook that fight and try to point out all the negatives

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                • ILLuminato
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                  #18
                  Originally posted by larry x
                  judah won 3 rounds and got punished the rest of the fight...people kill me..how many fighters havent lost some rounds..whats great about floyd is he learns from his mistakes and adjusts..that was a masterpeice and people overlook that fight and try to point out all the negatives
                  I don't think I'm overlooking the fight? Why would I point it out then?

                  He did a wonderful job at adjusting in the fight but Mosley>>>>>>Judah

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                    #19
                    Originally posted by icantbox
                    I agree with the guys that have stated Ricky wasn't the same after fighting Floyd. I also have beliefs that his father was a crap trainer and was looking towards a future with his son, but that's beside the point. The Ricky Hatton that was a dominant force at 140 left us after the sixth round of the Mayweather fight. He was still there at the start when he knocked Floyd off balance. He was still there after he showed the cut didn't bother him. He was still there when he mooned Floyd and Cortez. After he started getting rocked in the 6th and 7th, that was the end.
                    What about the Collazo fight? I thought Hatton won by 1 point. But, wat out on his feet. By a light puncher in Collazo. No that fight proved Hatton did not belong at 147.

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                    • icantbox
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                      #20
                      Originally posted by jrosales13
                      What about the Collazo fight? I thought Hatton won by 1 point. But, wat out on his feet. By a light puncher in Collazo. No that fight proved Hatton did not belong at 147.
                      I think that was more a case of Ricky getting very reckless. Truth be told, I don't think people give Collazo enough credit. He is a very good fighter.

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