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  • Syf
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    #21
    Originally posted by jrosales13
    Collazo proved that Hatton did not belong at 147. Yes it was just 7lbs. But, before the Floyd fight. Collazo proved Hatton did not belong. That is why they don't give him credit. Especially when you had tougher fighters out there. Like Mosley, Cotto, Margarito, Cintron, Williams, and Clottey. All of them would of destroyd Hatton at 147. Quintana probably would of outboxed him too. I however give credit to Floyd on how he won. Not that he won. Cuz I already know he was going to win. Hatton at 147 is not elite. But, I give him credit for stopping Hatton.



    It was not a great victory for Floyd. Hernandez, Vargas Chavez, Corrales, Manfreddy, and Castillo. Those were great wins for Floyd. Collazo is the one who shattered Hatton mentally at 147. What Floyd did was just verify that Hatton did not belong at 147. Hatton was undefeated at 140. Mentally Hatton was strong at 140. And, Pac destroyed him so bad that he don't even know if he wants to keep on fighting.

    Collazo is underrated imo, and widely avoided as a high risk, low gain scenario. He has given other fighters fits too. Certainly Berto. Its hard to look good against Collazo, which I give Mosley full credit for.

    And that other thing about.."compartmentalizing confidence". Just wow. Mentality is mentality. If you get beat, you are not going to go down a few pounds and then that will magically erase that devastating loss from your mind. Its still going to be there haunting your every step and your every 1 and 2. I mean, he was so affected by the loss, that he dropped his long time trainer and friend Billy Graham who had helped get him to his level and hired Floyd's freaking father to train him.

    Floyd mentally handicapped Hatton, no matter what weight class. Pac just added an exclamation mark.

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    • jrosales13
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      #22
      Originally posted by icantbox
      I think that was more a case of Ricky getting very reckless. Truth be told, I don't think people give Collazo enough credit. He is a very good fighter.
      Collazo is very good. But, he is not an elite WW. And that is the whole point. That a good WW. Won 6rds agaisnt Hatton. Damn near stopped. So then what would an elite WW do to Hatton? Exactly what we saw Floyd do. After the Collazo fight. Hatton had fits with a very green Urango at 140.

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        #23
        Originally posted by Syf
        Collazo is underrated imo, and widely avoided as a high risk, low gain scenario. He has given other fighters fits too. Certainly Berto. Its hard to look good against Collazo, which I give Mosley full credit for.
        Collazo is underrated. However he is not elite. Again he proved Hatton and Berto are not elite WW. Mosley proved he was Elite.

        Originally posted by Syf
        And that other thing about.."compartmentalizing confidence". Just wow. Mentality is mentality. If you get beat, you are not going to go down a few pounds and then that will magically erase that devastating loss from your mind. Its still going to be there haunting your every step and your every 1 and 2. I mean, he was so affected by the loss, that he dropped his long time trainer and friend Billy Graham who had helped get him to his level and hired Floyd's freaking father to train him.

        Floyd mentally handicapped Hatton, no matter what weight class. Pac just added an exclamation mark.
        If Hatton was mentally shattered by Floyd. And, that fight kept haunting him in his every step and every 1 and 2. He would of not beat and look so good against a lower top 10 JWW. In Paulie Malinnaggi. If that was the case Malinnaggi who is top 10 would of beat him. Hatton after the Collazo fight. Went back to 140 and had fits against a very green Urango. Hatton after the Collazo fight did not look good at 140 until he beat a very shot Castillo.

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        • Jiddu Dali
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          #24
          Originally posted by ILLuminato
          Mayweather will never face Mosley.

          It's already proven and known that Floyd is more concerned on keeping his "0" then fighting the best fights. It's also known that he wants the biggest money fights. The man promotes his fights as if it's a Super Bowl and you can't do that if you've been defeated before.

          Zab Judah is an explosive fast puncher that came off a loss of Carlos Baldomir, and gave Floyd a lot of problems in their fight together.

          Mosley is an explosive fast and hard puncher who just destroyed a superior version of Baldomir in Margarito. Mosley never faded and has a tendency to finish his fights very strong.

          Sure, Mayweather picked apart Judah but I don't think he ever wants to go through that again, and he doesn't think he can do the same thing to Mosley.

          Look at who he fought after Judah: Baldomir, DLH, Hatton, and Marquez. If it looks and smells like ****, it probably is.
          LMAO!! name 1 ELITE fighter that Zab has beat?....

          Zab gave Mayweather trouble? In what 2 rounds? Zab won no more than 2 rounds in a 12 round fight!!!

          How on earth is Margarito a superior Baldomir? ?....they fight nothing alike

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          • Jiddu Dali
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            #25
            Originally posted by Tom Flores
            Floyds a "cash cow",

            why does he need another name to generate money?

            Tyson and DLH didn't.

            Mayweather b4 he retires will break all of Oscars PPV records. Mayweathers next 3 fights will all do record #'s? You know why? Cause he is the best right now, he has a big mouth and people want to see it shut..so even haters that dont like him will order the PPV's. Love him or Hate him..this is the truth...

            oh and by the way..Mayweather-Marquez did much more than Pac Marquez II did.

            If Mayweather isnt the PPV King right now..then who is?

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            • Jiddu Dali
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              #26
              Originally posted by ILLuminato
              Check out the first half of the fight. Mosley isn't a frontrunner like Judah...he gets stronger.


              I see Mosley as a puncher who throws fast combinations that can put you to sleep
              hahah..yes Mosley will put u to sleep after landing right hand bombs over and over....thats all he throws...paws with that jab then throws the looping right hand....u think that right hand will land on mayweather all night? Mayweather is NOT Vargas or Mayorga

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              • Syf
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                #27
                Originally posted by jrosales13
                If Hatton was mentally shattered by Floyd. And, that fight kept haunting him in his every step and every 1 and 2. He would of not beat and look so good against a lower top 10 JWW. In Paulie Malinnaggi. If that was the case Malinnaggi who is top 10 would of beat him. Hatton after the Collazo fight. Went back to 140 and had fits against a very green Urango. Hatton after the Collazo fight did not look good at 140 until he beat a very shot Castillo.
                Well, now, it seems like you are trying to do two things here. Saying it was Collazo that started the degradation of Hatton's mental game, if not even causing it, but at the same time, making a case for Hatton's mental to be completely strong against Malignaggi. So wait.. was he unsure after the Collazo fight, but then recovered in time for the Mayweather fight.. wasn't phased at all by the Mayweather fight, and then was mentally shattered by the Pac fight after being tip top for the Malignaggi fight? This is what you are telling me?

                And.. Urango. Well he had been in the professional fight business 5 years prior to his first! loss against Hatton. Urango was an undefeated fighter. And he's underrated himself. So is Berto by proxy of Collazo.

                Malignaggi, however, is tailor made for someone like Hatton. He's a good boxer and all, but he has no stopping power to speak of, no way of making Hatton respect him as he comes in to work the inside. That match, to me, was a foregone conclusion.

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                • Vasyl’s dad
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                  #28
                  Originally posted by Jiddu Dali
                  Mayweather b4 he retires will break all of Oscars PPV records. Mayweathers next 3 fights will all do record #'s? You know why? Cause he is the best right now, he has a big mouth and people want to see it shut..so even haters that dont like him will order the PPV's. Love him or Hate him..this is the truth...

                  oh and by the way..Mayweather-Marquez did much more than Pac Marquez II did.

                  If Mayweather isnt the PPV King right now..then who is?

                  Thats fine and dandy,


                  but why does a "cash cow",

                  need a name opponent if they are the draw?

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                  • ace2ace234
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                    #29
                    Jiddu Dali can I ask you a question,all I want is a straight yes or no answer..
                    Im a big mayweather and I tink he'd would beat all the elite welterweight's convincly and I for one want to see him do it,why dont you want the same????
                    You discredit all of his potential opponents all the time and say there is no point in fighting them cause the excuse's will follow,unfortunatly with mayweather there will always be haters because of his 'TV personality' by that I mean mayweather puts an act on to sell fights and he is dam good at it....
                    But can you explain to me why you dont want mayweather to take out the best in his devision???

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                    • iecen
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                      #30
                      Originally posted by Tom Flores
                      Floyds a "cash cow",

                      why does he need another name to generate money?

                      Tyson and DLH didn't.
                      so JMM is a known fighter that Floyd just did 1 million buys with

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