Comments Thread For: Bivol Fights On Without Opportunity To Make It A Four-Man Pound-For-Pound Debate

[boxingitis]

Usyk clearly Number 1, no debate.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

Weak ass divisions, but ok.

147 has been one of the strongest divisions of the past 10-20 years. Behave.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

And it took him 5-6 years out of those 10-20 to finally fight Spence, after Spence had been through a horrific car crash, half blind, slurring and weight drained. Yeah, great accomplishment.

PBC were blatantly freezing him out. That fight happened on their terms. They tried to age Bud out but it didn’t work.

Spence was an undefeated unified champion too, universally rated top 10 P4P, keep spinning your cute little narrative though.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

Bivol is a great fighter but he's fought his whole career in the same division.

Usyk: 2 division undisputed, 2 division world titlist, 2 division lineal champion, just beat a dude 40 pounds heavier
Crawford: 2 division undisputed, 3 division world titlist, 3 division lineal champion (one of 9 in the history of men's boxing)
Inoue: 2 division undisputed, 4 division world titlist, 2 division lineal champion, over half his career opponents have been TBRB ranked current/former/future world titlists

Those three and Holyfield are the only men in the 3 or 4 belt eras to be undisputed in more than one division.

Bivol: 1 division world titlist

If Bivol beats Beterbiev he becomes a 1 division undisputed, lineal world champion. Which is awesome, and a great accomplishment. But it's still a step below what the top 3 have done.

Exactly how I see it.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

Yeah blame others, it's always easy to blame others. Crawford had the opportunity to sign with PBC, but signed with Arum again. Face it, he didn't want it, neither did Spence, if they really wanted that fight, it would've gotten made years ago. Same with Bivol and Beterbiev.

Fighters will fight anyone. It’s the people behind them that cause these political problems. PBC always seemed like the one’s blocking Crawford-Spence though, deep down they knew how good Bud was and that’s why it didn’t happen for so many years.

[The Big Dunn]

Bivol is a great fighter but he's fought his whole career in the same division.

Usyk: 2 division undisputed, 2 division world titlist, 2 division lineal champion, just beat a dude 40 pounds heavier
Crawford: 2 division undisputed, 3 division world titlist, 3 division lineal champion (one of 9 in the history of men's boxing)
Inoue: 2 division undisputed, 4 division world titlist, 2 division lineal champion, over half his career opponents have been TBRB ranked current/former/future world titlists

Those three and Holyfield are the only men in the 3 or 4 belt eras to be undisputed in more than one division.

Bivol: 1 division world titlist

If Bivol beats Beterbiev he becomes a 1 division undisputed, lineal world champion. Which is awesome, and a great accomplishment. But it's still a step below what the top 3 have done.

Just be careful how you word this please.

Being well conditioned enough to stay at the same weight your whole career- Hagler, Bivol-and be the man in that division does not make you lesser than men that go up, imo.

[JakeTheBoxer]

Bivol is a great fighter but he's fought his whole career in the same division.

Usyk: 2 division undisputed, 2 division world titlist, 2 division lineal champion, just beat a dude 40 pounds heavier
Crawford: 2 division undisputed, 3 division world titlist, 3 division lineal champion (one of 9 in the history of men's boxing)
Inoue: 2 division undisputed, 4 division world titlist, 2 division lineal champion, over half his career opponents have been TBRB ranked current/former/future world titlists

Those three and Holyfield are the only men in the 3 or 4 belt eras to be undisputed in more than one division.

Bivol: 1 division world titlist

If Bivol beats Beterbiev he becomes a 1 division undisputed, lineal world champion. Which is awesome, and a great accomplishment. But it's still a step below what the top 3 have done.

That is bull.****. You want to tell me Broner is better than GGG ir Hagler.

Crawford never beat elite fighter. He has zero wins even close like Canelo for Bivol. It is easy to win the titles in many divisions fighting average guys. Many guys did that.

Crawford walks around about 180 lbs. If he was any good, he wouldn't fight small guys.

[famicommander]

Just be careful how you word this please.

Being well conditioned enough to stay at the same weight your whole career- Hagler, Bivol-and be the man in that division does not make you lesser than men that go up, imo.

That's true, but only if you're fighting the best consistently in your own division. Bivol has a handful of really good wins (Pascal, Smith, Canelo, Zurdo stand out, then a few contenders) and then not much supporting it.

Zinad is a quality opponent, especially as a replacement with an undisputed fight hanging in the balance. If he beats both Zinad and Beterbiev that will go a long way, but he still needs several more quality wins to match Usyk, Crawford, or Inoue in my opinion.

And I'm not saying it's Bivol's fault he hasn't been able to consistently get great fights, nor am I saying he couldn't or wouldn't win those fights if he could get them. But I can't give him credit for things he hasn't done yet.