Per Dan Rafael: Ryan Garcia’s B sample matches A sample for PED Ostarine.

[Roadblock]

how about a tainted supplement?

Produce the supplement to prove it, just saying so doesnt wash, be like a junkie saying he only took vitamins and the crack must have been in them.

[IronDanHamza]

Produce the supplement to prove it, just saying so doesnt wash, be like a junkie saying he only took vitamins and the crack must have been in them.

Doesn’t wash either way to be honest.

Supplements are tainted, it is a problem, but there’s no way to prove he took one.

[Roadblock]

Doesn’t wash either way to be honest.

Supplements are tainted, it is a problem, but there’s no way to prove he took one.

True, but they have batch numbers only way I could see any legitimacy here would be for the commission to gather independently the same batch and test them , if Ryan handed over a bottle and said these were my supps I would not accept them.

[IronDanHamza]

True, but they have batch numbers only way I could see any legitimacy here would be for the commission to gather independently the same batch and test them , if Ryan handed over a bottle and said these were my supps I would not accept them.

Yeah for sure there are ways to get more info to get closer to the truth but unless they have that exact supplement that he took (which they can’t) and test that then it will always be impossible to know.

I really don’t understand why athletes take over the counter supplements. The risk/reward is just as far from worth it as possible.

[IronDanHamza]

That’s the only way Stainey could get a win or at the very least not lose, for someone to f. uck with the test results like Conte did.

Or maybe just don’t take PEDs in Ryan Garcia’s case.

[Roadblock]

Yeah for sure there are ways to get more info to get closer to the truth but unless they have that exact supplement that he took (which they can’t) and test that then it will always be impossible to know.

I really don’t understand why athletes take over the counter supplements. The risk/reward is just as far from worth it as possible.

The batch numbers are the only way I could see any way it could hold weight in a court, if a same batch number supp tested positive you could fly with that, but you couldnt use what Ryan puts up as the sups he took he could easily have his bottle altered after the fact, if tainted sups are the new excuse then in multi million dollar events every supp consumed should have a sample give to the commission, claiming that's not my hand in the cookie jar doesnt wash.

They need to tighten the whole thing up, they need to block every loop hole or just stick to their guns and say your test is positive the onus was on you too bad your gone, its all to wishy washy considering the money involved.

[IronDanHamza]

The batch numbers are the only way I could see any way it could hold weight in a court, if a same batch number supp tested positive you could fly with that, but you couldnt use what Ryan puts up as the sups he took he could easily have his bottle altered after the fact, if tainted sups are the new excuse then in multi million dollar events every supp consumed should have a sample give to the commission, claiming that's not my hand in the cookie jar doesnt wash.

They need to tighten the whole thing up, they need to block every loop hole or just stick to their guns and say your test is positive the onus was on you too bad your gone, its all to wishy washy considering the money involved.

Agree on all counts mate.

[Roadblock]

Agree on all counts mate.

Yeah the whole system is skewed, even the B sample everybody was waiting for, its the same sample lol just put in another vile, for the B to test negative it would only say the equipment is faulty it doesnt state Ryan was clean or the first sample was wrong, crazy setup they have considering the money involved.

[IronDanHamza]

Yeah the whole system is skewed, even the B sample everybody was waiting for, its the same sample lol just put in another vile, for the B to test negative it would only say the equipment is faulty it doesnt state Ryan was clean or the first sample was wrong, crazy setup they have considering the money involved.

Yeah it seems no one actually knows that the A Sample and B sample are the same sample

It’s almost pointless checking it. Everytime these things happen people put so much stock into checking the B Sample when it’s almost as good as pointless.

At worst it’s incredibly unlikely be any different from the A results, as like you say, it’s the exact same sample.