Comments Thread For: Warren Reveals That Fury Is 'Very Philosophical' As He Plots Usyk Rematch

[TheOneAboveAll]

At no point in the fight was Tyson Fury winning. He very clearly lost the first three rounds, then reasonably won the next three (4-6), then lost every round after that. At what point does the exuberance fade and fans sit down to rewatch this fight and decide on their own what happened? Usyk pressed the entire fight and outboxed Fury for 3/4 of the fight. The media 'experts' are paid to peddle controversy and promote the next fight, but this fight was not that close. If anyone can justify Fury winning more than 3 rounds, please identify those rounds and state your case here.

[TheOneAboveAll]

Tyson Fury has to just take some positives from the entire experience. The mere public, and the critics in life only understand two things 'Winning and losing'. Well that is how they appear to operate, although I suspect most of their lives technically? All they have done is lost, and when they are not losing they are existing in the middle ground.

The middle ground is where you will find all the critics 'Not daring enough through the fear of losing, but comfortable enough to talk a good one and knock people while they are going through trails and tribulations'.

The positives Tyson Fury can take from his fight vs Oleksandr Uysk 'Was quite simply, it was a competitive fight'.

Both Joshua and Fury know, through experience that they can compete with Uysk 'Oleksandr Uysk is not miles better than ether of them. I have proven this through the statistics of the fights'.

People can check some of my posts, I have made this week 'In one of my posts, I analysed both Joshua's and Fury's performances vs Uysk'.

Oleksandr Uysk is operating a near maximum levels of effort and execution in order to beat both Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua.

Were as everyone who truly understands boxing, knows? That both Fury and Joshua stylistically as fighters 'Have a more vast operational window than Oleksandr Uysk at Heavyweight'.

Operational Window: The amount a fighter can alter their style, preparation, tactics, and sometimes even physique on a fight by fight basis. Both Fury and Joshua have the ability to morph their physiques into completely new weight classes on a fight by fight basis, and with this altercation comes a new challenge for their competitors.

Anthony Joshua in his last 3 fights has weighed in at 255 pounds vs Franklin, 250 pounds vs Helenius, 251 pounds vs Wallin, 252 pounds vs Ngannou.

And this is not a new thing for Anthony Joshua 'Joshua weighed in at 250 pounds vs Kiltschko. Wladimir Kiltschko vs Anthony Joshua was the greatest Heavyweight title fight of the past 25 years'.

Tyson Fury could so easily morph his body back up over 270 + pounds 'And with that altercation will come a different type of challenge for Oleksandr Uysk'.

Note: Those traits stylistically which both Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua have, in my opinion makes it very difficult for certain fighters 'To continuedly keep on beating them, when they are embroiled in a battle over a duration of fights'.

This is already evident and can be seen in the two Anthony Joshua vs Oleksandr Uysk fights 'The trajectory of that match up, suggest that Joshua would make the 3rd fight even more competitive. Joshua in the second fight, produced the most improved effort out of the two fighters'.

And I have a very similar perception of the Tyson Fury vs Oleksandr Uysk match up 'Those are difficult fights for Oleksandr Uysk'.

Oleksandr Uysk is a great fighter, he is the most accomplished active fighter in the entire of boxing 'And he has achieved the greatest physical feats of achievement pound for pound in the sport'.

But when you analyse Uysk as a fighter 'Unlike past Heavyweights, that have invaded the Heavyweight Division from the cruiserweight Divisions. Uysk does not really have any super hero type a attributes that could negate Heavyweight fighters in a instant'.

David Haye had immense power, speed, athleticism, and his defensive capabilities at his peak were superior to Uysk. Evander Holyfield had extreme levels of brute strength, endurance. Combined with a high invulnerability to physical attacks, and some sort of healing factor.

I have never really rated, or regarded Oleksandr Uysk as that type of fighter 'Uysk almost every time he fights a top level Heavyweight. Uysk is having to fight those Heavyweights in a very difficult way'.

The two fights with Joshua were very difficult fights 'Uysk had to climb a Heavyweight mountain twice back to back, and he has just climbed one more Heavyweight Mountain in Tyson Fury'.

Oleksandr Uysk's attributes as fighter 'Allow him to win fights, but almost every single time he has to fight these other Heavyweights in a very difficult way'.

Where as in comparison on a fight by fight basis 'Definitively for sure with Anthony Joshua there can be dramatic altercations in the action of his fights. And Tyson Fury during his career has shown that type of ability to a certain extent'.

Anthony Joshua right now as we speak, is destroying, decimating, obliterating and systematically taking apart his opponents 'The action in his fights has altered. Because Joshua's best attributes allow him at Heavyweight that type of performance dexterity'.

Tyson Fury also to a certain extent has this same ability 'To dramatically alter the action of his fights, on a fight by fight basis'.

Oleksandr Uysk if he fights ether Tyson Fury or Anthony Joshua again 'Will ether attempt to out skill those fighters, or out last them with his endurance. Because that is what his best attributes allow him to do, and that is always going to be a very difficult challenge for him. If both Fury and Joshua are in solid condition'.

To conclude: Anybody that says, that Tyson Fury does not have a chance of beating Oleksandr Uysk in the rematch 'Is talking complete nonsense. Fury was beaten by Uysk, but he was not beaten up for the entire duration of the fight'.

Both Fury and Joshua have a serious chance of beating Oleksandr Uysk, I have always been adamant that if the 3rd fight between Joshua and Uysk is called for? I would back Anthony Joshua to win' etc.

This is reaching. You are postulating that it is easier and more likely that both Fury and AJ will 'morph their bodies' and grow an extra set of arms to win their next fight with Usyk than for Usyk to leverage his superior conditioning, boxing skills and will to repeat his dominant wins over both of these guys. You argue that beating Fury and AJ is hard work (it is), but that's precisely what Oleksander Usyk has been doing his entire career. He's not going to get outworked, outboxed or outwilled by either of these guys; especially not by Tyson Fury.

[PRINCEKOOL]

This is reaching. You are postulating that it is easier and more likely that both Fury and AJ will 'morph their bodies' and grow an extra set of arms to win their next fight with Usyk than for Usyk to leverage his superior conditioning, boxing skills and will to repeat his dominant wins over both of these guys. You argue that beating Fury and AJ is hard work (it is), but that's precisely what Oleksander Usyk has been doing his entire career. He's not going to get outworked, outboxed or outwilled by either of these guys; especially not by Tyson Fury.

Anthony Joshua in his last 4 fights has weighed in at 255 pounds vs Franklin, 251 pounds vs Helenius, 251 pounds vs Wallin, 252 pounds vs Ngannou.

This is not reaching in reference to ether Anthony Joshua or Tyson Fury 'Fury and Joshua have a more vast and proven operational window than Oleksandr Uysk at Heavyweight'.

It is not just about how both Fury and Joshua can morph their physiques, it is also the styles of fighting they can produce 'On a fight by fight basis, the action within Fury and Joshua's fights can alter dramatically'.

Anthony Joshua right now as we speak 'Is the only top level Heavyweight, obliterating and systematically destroying his opponents. The action in his fights has altered'.

And we have also seen this variation in action with Tyson Fury, on a fight by fight basis 'Wilder I vs Wilder II, Wilder III. Tyson Fury was the fighter who altered the action within those fights, and this is trait of having a vast operational window as a fighter'.

You need to understand what I am saying? Oleksandr Uysk is a great fighter, he is the most accomplished active fighter in the entire sport of boxing. But his best attributes as a fighter which are his endurance and skill game 'Forces him to fight most top level heavyweights in a very difficult way, Uysk is ether out lasting his opponents with his endurance or out scoring them with his skills over the distance' Because that is what his best attributes only allow him to do.

Oleksandr Uysk is not similar to Evander Holyfield or David Haye in that regards 'As former cruiserweight Champions, who also invaded the Heavyweight division. Their best attributes allowed them to alter the action of their fights more dramatically on a fight by fight basis, in some ways they had a more vast operational window'.

David Haye fought a peak Derek Chisora 'David Haye weighed in at 210 pounds, Derek Chisora weighed in at 247 pounds. Haye fought Chisora head on, and met force with force canceling out Chisora's moment. Haye was the first ever Heavyweight to knock-out Derek Chisora' It would be almost 7 years, until Derek Chisora was decked and knocked out again by Dillian Whyte in their rematch.

David Haye was able to beat Derek Chisora in his manner, because his best attributes allowed him to 'Uysk has never been that type of fighter or threat at Heavyweight'.

Note: If Oleksandr Uysk fights ether Tyson Fury or Anthony Joshua again, he will effectively have to climb those two mountains again 'It will once again be a extreme effort in order for him to win, because his best attributes as a fighter thus-far at Heavyweight only really allow him to win fights in this manner'.

I believe that if a fighter like Uysk stylistically is embroiled in rematches and trilogies with Tyson Fury or Anthony Joshua 'The fights are most likely always going to be competitive fights, which mandate a extreme effort for him to win'.

Anthony Joshua vs Oleksandr Uysk II 'Was a more competitive and closer fight than the first fight. Out of the two fighters Joshua had the most improved effort, this is evidence of what I am actually talking about in this post. If the 3rd fight between Joshua and Uysk is ever called for, the trajectory of that match up is looking like Joshua would make the 3rd fight even closer'.

Oleksandr Uysk is still the favourite to beat both Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua 'But lets all be real? It is not going to be a easy task for Uysk, especially not against Anthony Joshua in my opinion' etc.









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[_Rexy_]

I think fury is a bit frustrated because I really think he thought he had measure of usyk by middle rounds, and fury is confused and scratching his head where it all went wrong.?
Fury probably feel he's been mugged and pickpocketed out of win, stolen from under his nose.

Well, it's on youtube now. He can watch it back.