Terence Crawford and Naoya Inoue resume deep dives

**Regge** · 05-10-2024, 06:04 PM

Crawford has a horrible ****ty resume filled with bums and a washed up one eye Spence.

**famicommander** · 05-10-2024, 06:06 PM

Originally posted by Regge

Crawford has a horrible ****ty resume filled with bums and a washed up one eye Spence.

Show me 10 active fighters besides Inoue with a better resume. Should be easy if Crawford's resume is so horrible.

Do the work. Show us who these people fought and what their own rankings and title accomplishments were.

**hugh grant** · 05-10-2024, 06:18 PM

A thing I noticed about bud is that when.Nel o was no1 pfp, and bud wanted to be considered for top spot by self proclaiming. Bud was largely ridiculed, and that he needed to do more, people weren't overly impressed with buds accomplishments.
yes, bud had 3 times lineal or undisputed or whatever it is. But it was more who you beat? Who you fought?

**famicommander** · 05-10-2024, 06:36 PM

Originally posted by hugh grant

A thing I noticed about bud is that when.Nel o was no1 pfp, and bud wanted to be considered for top spot by self proclaiming. Bud was largely ridiculed, and that he needed to do more, people weren't overly impressed with buds accomplishments.
yes, bud had 3 times lineal or undisputed or whatever it is. But it was more who you beat? Who you fought?

Most people who wade into these debates are clowns who are not willing to do the work to really make an honest comparison.

Canelo's resume is fantastic too, and before Crawford beat Spence he had a very strong argument to be ranked ahead of Crawford. But Crawford becoming lineal in a 3rd division is something only 9 men in the history of boxing have done. Bob Fitzsimmons, Tony Canzoneri, Henry Armstrong, Barney Ross, Sugar Ray Leonard, Oscar De La Hoya, Floyd Mayweather Jr., Manny Pacquiao, and Terence Crawford. That's it. You can try to nitpick it from any angle you want but there are now 18 weight classes in men's boxing. If this were an accomplishment that could be cherry picked to or fudged in any fashion there'd be a hell of a lot more than 9 men on that list. Canelo has only been lineal in 2 divisions, plus he has 2 losses, 2 draws, and several controversial decisions on his record. Crawford and Inoue's records remain spotless.

Who Crawford has fought is right there in the first post, complete with the context surrounding each fight. I did the work for the lazy idiots.

Bottom line is that we're lucky to be watching both Crawford and Inoue right now, and anyone who tries to hate on either of them isn't a real boxing fan.

**Roadblock** · 05-10-2024, 06:40 PM

Originally posted by famicommander

Most people who wade into these debates are clowns who are not willing to do the work to really make an honest comparison.

Canelo's resume is fantastic too, and before Crawford beat Spence he had a very strong argument to be ranked ahead of Crawford. But Crawford becoming lineal in a 3rd division is something only 9 men in the history of boxing have done. Bob Fitzsimmons, Tony Canzoneri, Henry Armstrong, Barney Ross, Sugar Ray Leonard, Oscar De La Hoya, Floyd Mayweather Jr., Manny Pacquiao, and Terence Crawford. That's it. You can try to nitpick it from any angle you want but there are now 18 weight classes in men's boxing. If this were an accomplishment that could be cherry picked to or fudged in any fashion there'd be a hell of a lot more than 9 men on that list.

Who Crawford has fought is right there in the first post, complete with the context surrounding each fight. I did the work for the lazy idiots.

Bottom line is that we're lucky to be watching both Crawford and Inoue right now, and anyone who tries to hate on either of them isn't a real boxing fan.

The opponents are weak compared to other eras, all the titles and belt collecting over average opposition is the core of the matter, people try to to make the trophy a ticket to greatness I think the real ticket is what level did you beat to get the trophy.

**famicommander** · 05-10-2024, 07:04 PM

Originally posted by Roadblock

The opponents are weak compared to other eras, all the titles and belt collecting over average opposition is the core of the matter, people try to to make the trophy a ticket to greatness I think the real ticket is what level did you beat to get the trophy.

He took his first world title off a 3 division world titlist and one who was a current, former, AND future world titlist in Ricky Burns.
He won his first lineal title against a PED cheat that won his next 6 fights and a WBO lightweight title after the Crawford fight in Ray Beltran.
He won his second lineal title against a reigning WBC world titlist and consensus #1 who was 28-0 and coming off a KO of Matthysse in Viktor Postol.
He unified against the undefeated, 2-belt champion, #1 ranked fighter coming off wins over Burns and Troyanovsky in Julius Indongo.
He unified and won his third lineal title against the undefeated, 3-belt champion, #1 ranked fighter coming off wins over Ugas, Garcia, and Porter in Errol Spence Jr.

You could say he won his WBO 147 belt (Horn) and WBO 140 belt (Dulorme) against weak competition, and that's fair, but he went onto fully unify both of those divisions against the top opponent available.

**hugh grant** · 05-10-2024, 07:07 PM

Originally posted by famicommander

Most people who wade into these debates are clowns who are not willing to do the work to really make an honest comparison.

Canelo's resume is fantastic too, and before Crawford beat Spence he had a very strong argument to be ranked ahead of Crawford. But Crawford becoming lineal in a 3rd division is something only 9 men in the history of boxing have done. Bob Fitzsimmons, Tony Canzoneri, Henry Armstrong, Barney Ross, Sugar Ray Leonard, Oscar De La Hoya, Floyd Mayweather Jr., Manny Pacquiao, and Terence Crawford. That's it. You can try to nitpick it from any angle you want but there are now 18 weight classes in men's boxing. If this were an accomplishment that could be cherry picked to or fudged in any fashion there'd be a hell of a lot more than 9 men on that list. Canelo has only been lineal in 2 divisions, plus he has 2 losses, 2 draws, and several controversial decisions on his record. Crawford and Inoue's records remain spotless.

Who Crawford has fought is right there in the first post, complete with the context surrounding each fight. I did the work for the lazy idiots.

Bottom line is that we're lucky to be watching both Crawford and Inoue right now, and anyone who tries to hate on either of them isn't a real boxing fan.

Bud quietly went about his business, but when he got people's attention, he seems to have stooled a bit and inoue seems to have raised his head above the pa****t and is gaining momentum

**famicommander** · 05-10-2024, 07:13 PM

Originally posted by hugh grant

Bud quietly went about his business, but when he got people's attention, he seems to have stooled a bit and inoue seems to have raised his head above the pa****t and is gaining momentum

Inoue doesn't have to deal with the promotional politics that Crawford had to deal with (especially at welterweight). Crawford was with Bob Arum and all the other top end fighters at 147 were with PBC (Pacquiao, Spence, Porter, Ugas, Garcia, Thurman). I'm not interested in playing the fanboy blame game, but suffice it to say the big fights were not easy to make for Crawford.

Inoue, on the other hand, is the cash cow at the lower weights and can pretty much name his opponent, venue, date, and price.

I fully agree that Inoue has faced a higher overall level of competition on average and his activity is much better than Crawford's. And I fully believe he'll become lineal at 126.

But he hasn't done it yet, and Crawford has.

**Roadblock** · 05-10-2024, 07:41 PM

Originally posted by famicommander

He took his first world title off a 3 division world titlist and one who was a current, former, AND future world titlist in Ricky Burns.
He won his first lineal title against a PED cheat that won his next 6 fights and a WBO lightweight title after the Crawford fight in Ray Beltran.
He won his second lineal title against a reigning WBC world titlist and consensus #1 who was 28-0 and coming off a KO of Matthysse in Viktor Postol.
He unified against the undefeated, 2-belt champion, #1 ranked fighter coming off wins over Burns and Troyanovsky in Julius Indongo.
He unified and won his third lineal title against the undefeated, 3-belt champion, #1 ranked fighter coming off wins over Ugas, Garcia, and Porter in Errol Spence Jr.

You could say he won his WBO 147 belt (Horn) and WBO 140 belt (Dulorme) against weak competition, and that's fair, but he went onto fully unify both of those divisions against the top opponent available.

You are applying the same trophy = greatness to the opponents, the trophy doesnt make the fighter, the fighter makes the trophy.

As an example , a unified champ named Leonard beats Hagler Hearns and Duran to be unified, the next guy comes along and beats Burns Postal and Spence, they might have the same title but its not the same value, you see what Im trying to say, Im not saying they are not great fighters just that they have weak resumes compared to greats of other eras, for me Postal Burns Spence and Porter are good fighters but not equal to Cotto Mosley Oscar etc.

Terence Crawford and Naoya Inoue resume deep dives