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  • Does every boxer have a weakness?

    Tyson Fury - Susceptible to side of/around the head shots. To his credit, he always gets up from them.

    Lennox Lewis - Becomes a tree when he falls. Can't get back up. Knocked down twice, knocked out twice.

    Oleksandr Usyk - Body shots

    Charlie Zelenoff - Stamina

    Golovkin - Slow

    Roy Jones Jr - Chin

    Mike Tyson - Heart when the going gets tough.

    Seven examples. All Hall of Famers. Does anybody have it all? Nash out

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    Originally posted by Nash out View Post
    Tyson Fury - Susceptible to side of/around the head shots. To his credit, he always gets up from them.

    Lennox Lewis - Becomes a tree when he falls. Can't get back up. Knocked down twice, knocked out twice.

    Oleksandr Usyk - Body shots to

    Charlie Zelenoff - Stamina

    Golovkin - Slow

    Roy Jones Jr - Chin

    Mike Tyson - Heart when the going gets tough.

    Seven examples. All Hall of Famers. Does anybody have it all? Nash out

    Nice to see you again Nash! You have an interesting thread here. To answer this I would divide the question to two components.

    1. Inherent weaknesses characteristic of a particular style.

    2. Personal weaknesses that could create an opportunity for an opponent.

    Every style has attributes which make it stronger and usually many of these attributes also create the weaknesses that can be exploited.

    If we look at a pure puncher he can be countered pretty easily. If we look at a boxer puncher, a very technical oriented fighter he can usually be overpowered.

    If we look at a counter puncher he can very easily be controlled by a puncher after all, he's putting himself in an inferior position because he has to be attacked first.

    The pressure fighter has the least weakness of all. It's very hard to find a weakness when you're being forced off balance constantly, always have to react. But The main weakness would be, this is the hardest style to really maintain. You need an engine that never tires.

    Another weakness for the pressure guy is the ability of his opponent to use reach to keep him at a safe distance and pick him apart. If he can't get in he can't be effective. So reach can really expose a lot.

    On the subject of personal weaknesses. It's a little more complicated but some people believe people are made, bred a certain way.
    Others believe you can change your behavior and become anything you want.

    Having taught martial arts for many years concerned with self-preservation primarily, my opinion is we all have certain strengths we can draw upon. They're more important than trying to cover up weakness.

    I hated fighting but I had to do a lot of it to really excel... so I learned that I need to be motivated to fight because it's very difficult for me to just want to beat you in a boxing match for example. This made me very good at teaching real self-preservation.

    It also made me laughable, I mean that in an affectionate sense, I taught my student so well that they would win their tournaments they would clean out their divisions and I would inevitably get disqualified and get teased by them of course! Oh well can't be good at everything lol.
    Last edited by billeau2; 05-04-2024, 12:25 PM.
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    • #3
      I don't think there are any flaws in Diamond Boy's game. In fact, I'm sure there aren't.
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      • #4
        people have weaknesses & boxers are people

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        • #5
          Inoue's game is as close to complete as I've seen.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Quercusalba View Post
            Inoue's game is as close to complete as I've seen.
            Naoya most complete package I seen from the Pacific
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            • #7
              Originally posted by billeau2 View Post


              Nice to see you again Nash! You have an interesting thread here. To answer this I would divide the question to two components.

              1. Inherent weaknesses characteristic of a particular style.

              2. Personal weaknesses that could create an opportunity for an opponent.

              Every style has attributes which make it stronger and usually many of these attributes also create the weaknesses that can be exploited.

              If we look at a pure puncher he can be countered pretty easily. If we look at a boxer puncher, a very technical oriented fighter he can usually be overpowered.

              If we look at a counter puncher he can very easily be controlled by a puncher after all, he's putting himself in an inferior position because he has to be attacked first.

              The pressure fighter has the least weakness of all. It's very hard to find a weakness when you're being forced off balance constantly, always have to react. But The main weakness would be, this is the hardest style to really maintain. You need an engine that never tires.

              Another weakness for the pressure guy is the ability of his opponent to use reach to keep him at a safe distance and pick him apart. If he can't get in he can't be effective. So reach can really expose a lot.

              On the subject of personal weaknesses. It's a little more complicated but some people believe people are made, bred a certain way.
              Others believe you can change your behavior and become anything you want.

              Having taught martial arts for many years concerned with self-preservation primarily, my opinion is we all have certain strengths we can draw upon. They're more important than trying to cover up weakness.

              I hated fighting but I had to do a lot of it to really excel... so I learned that I need to be motivated to fight because it's very difficult for me to just want to beat you in a boxing match for example. This made me very good at teaching real self-preservation.

              It also made me laughable, I mean that in an affectionate sense, I taught my student so well that they would win their tournaments they would clean out their divisions and I would inevitably get disqualified and get teased by them of course! Oh well can't be good at everything lol.
              Great points and TGN agrees with all this. Nash out
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              • #8
                Originally posted by GrandpaBernard View Post

                Naoya most complete package I seen from the Pacific
                The second call for Inoue. The Great Nash has no choice but to induct Inoue into the BoxingScene Hall of Fame. Nash Out

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Quercusalba View Post
                  Inoue's game is as close to complete as I've seen.

                  Since we're mentioning the little ones I would go with Ricardo Lopez.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Nash out View Post
                    Tyson Fury - Susceptible to side of/around the head shots. To his credit, he always gets up from them.

                    Lennox Lewis - Becomes a tree when he falls. Can't get back up. Knocked down twice, knocked out twice.

                    Oleksandr Usyk - Body shots

                    Charlie Zelenoff - Stamina

                    Golovkin - Slow

                    Roy Jones Jr - Chin

                    Mike Tyson - Heart when the going gets tough.

                    Seven examples. All Hall of Famers. Does anybody have it all? Nash out
                    Lennox Lewis only got koed when he didn't see it coming. He faced every big puncher of his era -Briggs, Mercer, Morrison, and took their best shots.

                    So try again.

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