Comments Thread For: Canelo Alvarez Might Be Finished Taking Tough Fights

[Sid-Knee]

Of course his PRO fights count and peoples amatuer fights don't count towards a PRO record, it doesn't take a genius to work it out.

The fact I've explained the differences and you're still trying to argue the point is embarrassing really.

But as I said previously Canelo was doing 8-10 rounders at 16, twelve rounders at 17 it's not even logical to compare what he was doing to amatuer boxing but you've proven to be illogical so I don't know why I am engaging with you.



I don't care about other people's responses to you, it's our back and forth that matters and I haven't said anything that's "slanderous".

Sports and nationalism are intertwined but normally it's banal.

But the way you consistently bring up nationality and support people for the simple consequence of their birth in the British isles and to bash others borders on xenophobic.

Everything I've said is backed up by the facts and/or your post history.

As for me giving an example of you saying something that wasn't true - "I didn't say they were amateur fights.I said you'd have to include every fight from the age of 15 for all fighters to go with their pro resume if you're including Canelo's fights during this time period.”

Only for you to say - "Add in fighters amateur fights as well as pro's like you're doing for Canelo".

So not a single example like i knew you wouldn't be able to give? What. A. Shock. You'll have me think you're delusional as well as being an idiot who makes it up as they go. But you can add in another made up fantasy with your "Xenophobic" nonsense. Where do i show xenophobia? Do you even know what the word means? It means to have an irrational hate for a country. Which is funny when you see you here and many on this forum with their deranged made up fantasy shlt.

Fighters who come from countries where the age to start pro boxing is 18 don't get the chance to fight a load of trash cans for years the way Canelo did. They're competing with the best amateurs in the world. But if you're going to include Canelo's fights from the age of 15 to 18, rationally, you'd do the same for every other fighter too. It's very simple to understand. For people who aren't idiots, anyway.

[Boro]

So not a single example like i knew you wouldn't be able to give? What. A. Shock. You'll have me think you're delusional as well as being an idiot who makes it up as they go. But you can add in another made up fantasy with your "Xenophobic" nonsense. Where do i show xenophobia? Do you even know what the word means? It means to have an irrational hate for a country. Which is funny when you see you here and many on this forum with their deranged made up fantasy shlt.

Fighters who come from countries where the age to start pro boxing is 18 don't get the chance to fight a load of trash cans for years the way Canelo did. They're competing with the best amateurs in the world. But if you're going to include Canelo's fights from the age of 15 to 18, rationally, you'd do the same for every other fighter too. It's very simple to understand. For people who aren't idiots, anyway.

I literally give you an example from this thread you simpleton...

Xenophobia doesn't mean an irrational hate for countries, it's the residents of said countries.

It also includes prejudice against people from said countries which you've repeatedly shown through your post history.

Recent examples such as you crying about America being terrible for robberies whilst claiming in the UK robberies rarely happen (absolutely laughable, it's almost as bad as Germany back in the day) it's a joke that you have the audacity to even argue against the xenophobic claim.

Which clearly demonstrates an implicit bias against Americans and their judging based solely on the virtue of being American and also implies Brits have some kind of higher virtue by virtue of their birthplace.

You can use whatever copium you like to try and change reality but the FACTS are the FACTS and he was a pro fighter fighting in 8/10oz gloves, no headguards being paid and fighting for a longer duration than any amatuer fighter the level of opposition is irrelevant there are plenty of tomato cans who are amateurs.

Not all amateurs are competing at the top level of the domestic stage let alone world stage, so your claim about "fighting the best amateurs in the world" is dubious at best and completely ill informed/ignorant at worst...

[Sid-Knee]

I literally give you an example from this thread you simpleton...

Xenophobia doesn't mean an irrational hate for countries, it's the residents of said countries.

It also includes prejudice against people from said countries which you've repeatedly shown through your post history.

Recent examples such as you crying about America being terrible for robberies whilst claiming in the UK robberies rarely happen (absolutely laughable, it's almost as bad as Germany back in the day) it's a joke that you have the audacity to even argue against the xenophobic claim.

Which clearly demonstrates an implicit bias against Americans and their judging based solely on the virtue of being American and also implies Brits have some kind of higher virtue by virtue of their birthplace.

You can use whatever copium you like to try and change reality but the FACTS are the FACTS and he was a pro fighter fighting in 8/10oz gloves, no headguards being paid and fighting for a longer duration than any amatuer fighter the level of opposition is irrelevant there are plenty of tomato cans who are amateurs.

Not all amateurs are competing at the top level of the domestic stage let alone world stage, so your claim about "fighting the best amateurs in the world" is dubious at best and completely ill informed/ignorant at worst...

Your "Example" of xenophobia is pointing out all the robberies from the US which has gone to a psychotic level over the last 6 years? Man, you're even crazier than i first thought. You're completely irrational. Name a single fight i called a robbery that wasn't in fact a robbery?

Really? xenophobia is the irrational hate towards the members of said country? There was me thinking the hate was towards the bricks and mortar. Thank you for pointing me in the right direction.

Name all these robberies in the UK over the last 6 years? You won't come even close to matching those in the US. It happens every week over there. You sound like the fanatical Mexican fanbase where they slander their opponents, spew racist nonsense and justify their gift decisions but call you a "Hater" or racist for pointing it out. You're actually too backwards. You even think it's a slur to claim fighters records should be judged equally when it comes to the amount of fights they've had. You even think the absolute bums Canelo fought during that period are somehow better because they were over a longer distance than the very best amateurs in the world. To which most of the top fighters in the pro's did in fact fight.

Either come back with something substantial or i'm going to ignore your deranged ramblings. This went to pathetic way back. Now it's a tragedy.

And lastly... "Copium"? A childish and simplistic mind as well as being a joke. f3ck me. How did the 21st century allow minds like yours to exist.

[Boro]

Your "Example" of xenophobia is pointing out all the robberies from the US which has gone to a psychotic level over the last 6 years? Man, you're even crazier than i first thought. You're completely irrational. Name a single fight i called a robbery that wasn't in fact a robbery?

Really? xenophobia is the irrational hate towards the members of said country? There was me thinking the hate was towards the bricks and mortar. Thank you for pointing me in the right direction.

Name all these robberies in the UK over the last 6 years? You won't come even close to matching those in the US. It happens every week over there. You sound like the fanatical Mexican fanbase where they slander their opponents, spew racist nonsense and justify their gift decisions but call you a "Hater" or racist for pointing it out. You're actually too backwards. You even think it's a slur to claim fighters records should be judged equally when it comes to the amount of fights they've had. You even think the absolute bums Canelo fought during that period are somehow better because they were over a longer distance than the very best amateurs in the world. To which most of the top fighters in the pro's did in fact fight.

Either come back with something substantial or i'm going to ignore your deranged ramblings. This went to pathetic way back. Now it's a tragedy.

And lastly... "Copium"? A childish and simplistic mind as well as being a joke. f3ck me. How did the 21st century allow minds like yours to exist.

it's not about the number of robberies from either country, it's the fact it's completely based on nationality and in some cases ethnicity with you.

And you either completely ignore or justify people getting jobbed in the UK or consistently accuse Americans of jobbing people like you are now with your racist spiel.

Where did I mention anything about it being a slur to claim fighters' records should be judged equally!?

The amount of mental gymnastics you're going through here to try and prove your asinine point is beyond belief.

You're making the fallacious argument that amatuer and pro are one in the same, not only that you're implying "most" amateurs are competing at world level when in fact most amateurs are complete failures.

Most wouldn't even make a domestic event like GB Amateur Boxing Championships or a world level event like Olympic test events let alone the real thing, it's farcical tbh.

No one cares about your opinion about "copium" (copium - A metaphorical opiate taken in order to cope with loss or disillusionment, often leading to one becoming detached from reality and in denial of their situation, typically used to mock someone who's making excuses for a loss, or who is in denial about a situation).

It perfectly encapsulates the way you're acting about Canelos record and quite frankly just being straight up wrong, also I predate the 21st century sweetheart.

[Sid-Knee]

it's not about the number of robberies from either country, it's the fact it's completely based on nationality and in some cases ethnicity with you.

And you either completely ignore or justify people getting jobbed in the UK or consistently accuse Americans of jobbing people like you are now with your racist spiel.

Where did I mention anything about it being a slur to claim fighters' records should be judged equally!?

The amount of mental gymnastics you're going through here to try and prove your asinine point is beyond belief.

You're making the fallacious argument that amatuer and pro are one in the same, not only that you're implying "most" amateurs are competing at world level when in fact most amateurs are complete failures.

Most wouldn't even make a domestic event like GB Amateur Boxing Championships or a world level event like Olympic test events let alone the real thing, it's farcical tbh.

No one cares about your opinion about "copium" (copium - A metaphorical opiate taken in order to cope with loss or disillusionment, often leading to one becoming detached from reality and in denial of their situation, typically used to mock someone who's making excuses for a loss, or who is in denial about a situation).

It perfectly encapsulates the way you're acting about Canelos record and quite frankly just being straight up wrong, also I predate the 21st century sweetheart.

I asked for all these robberies in the UK. You said it was almost as bad as Germany. But yet you've given nothing but a deflection to a straight question. If it's almost as bad as Germany, you'd have plenty to give. Yet not a single one has been forthcoming. But it's also hilariously ironic considering you think it's racist and xenophobic to call out actual robberies. Aren't you racist towards the German's then? That's hypocrisy as well as all out ******ity to add to your abilities.

Show me where i get involved with anything regarding ethnicities? You're talking complete shlt. Which ethnicities do i supposedly have this bias against? Or are you going to deflecting some more and refuse to actually answer the question?

Which robberies do i supposedly justify or ignore? Please tell me.

You clearly made out that talking about Canelo's amount of fights was some kind of slur because you said if he was a Brit, i wouldn't be doing this. Yes, i would. To even think i wouldn't is just strange. You took it as an insult or smear. It was nothing but a rational view of how Canelo's fights from the age of 15 to 18 should be judged compared to those in the amateurs.

Do you even read anything properly? "To which most of the top fighters in the pro's did in fact fight". That is what i said. Now read it slowly this time and see if it makes sense this time. Considering what this cluster f3ck of a thread has turned into, i won't hold my breath.

[Boro]

I asked for all these robberies in the UK. You said it was almost as bad as Germany. But yet you've given nothing but a deflection to a straight question. If it's almost as bad as Germany, you'd have plenty to give. Yet not a single one has been forthcoming. But it's also hilariously ironic considering you think it's racist and xenophobic to call out actual robberies. Aren't you racist towards the German's then? That's hypocrisy as well as all out ******ity to add to your abilities.

Show me where i get involved with anything regarding ethnicities? You're talking complete shlt. Which ethnicities do i supposedly have this bias against? Or are you going to deflecting some more and refuse to actually answer the question?

Which robberies do i supposedly justify or ignore? Please tell me.

You clearly made out that talking about Canelo's amount of fights was some kind of slur because you said if he was a Brit, i wouldn't be doing this. Yes, i would. To even think i wouldn't is just strange. You took it as an insult or smear. It was nothing but a rational view of how Canelo's fights from the age of 15 to 18 should be judged compared to those in the amateurs.

Do you even read anything properly? "To which most of the top fighters in the pro's did in fact fight". That is what i said. Now read it slowly this time and see if it makes sense this time. Considering what this cluster f3ck of a thread has turned into, i won't hold my breath.

Hatton against that spanish kid is one example that pops to mind straight away.

Why would I list all the robberies from the UK? I don't have days to go through that shít...

I didn't even pay attention to your useless question in the first place.

Because it's disingenuous and you've been intellectually dishonest through this back and forth so it's redundant to even bring examples to you.

You literally brought up ethnicity in the post before last you simpleton...

Like I said with the first "question" you've being intellectually dishonest through this back and forth so it's redundant to give examples or you'll try and reword things you've said like with your alleged next point -

Fighters who come from countries where the age to start pro boxing is 18 don't get the chance to fight a load of trash cans for years the way Canelo did. They're competing with the best amateurs in the world.

Which is factually incorrect just like your BS about "most top fighters in the pro did in fact" because most fighters in fact never make it to being a top fighter.

You absolute imbecile, I swear to god your inability to think critically is alarming...

The lengths you're going to to discredit Canelo is pathetic and it's probably because he's bashed a few Brits.

[Sid-Knee]

Hatton against that spanish kid is one example that pops to mind straight away.

Why would I list all the robberies from the UK? I don't have days to go through that shít...

I didn't even pay attention to your useless question in the first place.

Because it's disingenuous and you've been intellectually dishonest through this back and forth so it's redundant to even bring examples to you.

You literally brought up ethnicity in the post before last you simpleton...

Like I said with the first "question" you've being intellectually dishonest through this back and forth so it's redundant to give examples or you'll try and reword things you've said like with your alleged next point -



Which is factually incorrect just like your BS about "most top fighters in the pro did in fact" because most fighters in fact never make it to being a top fighter.

You absolute imbecile, I swear to god your inability to think critically is alarming...

The lengths you're going to to discredit Canelo is pathetic and it's probably because he's bashed a few Brits.

It's as bad as Germany, but all you can come up with is Hatton's son? F3ck me.

Here's just a few over there...

Barboza vs McComb.
Estrada vs Gonzales twice.
Martinez vs Carmona and Cordova.
Hitchins vs Lemos.
Ford vs Kholmatov.
Charlo vs Castano.
McCasskill vs Ryan.
Fury vs Wilder 1.
Canelo vs Golovkin twice.
Canelo vs Lara.
Ramirez vs Postal.
Navarrete vs Conceicao.
Valdez vs Conceicao.
Rolly vs Barroso.
Cruz vs Cabrera.
Stevenson vs De Los Santos.
Haney vs Lomachenko.
Teo vs Ortiz and Martin.
Munguia vs Chenko.
Prograis vs Zorilla.

You get the picture? This is how you answer a question of robberies. Not your pathetic attempt. And this isn't even close to all or having all the many ways to gain an advantage over their opponent before fighting them. That is cheating no matter which way you cut it.

Show me where i've been dishonest? You're just making it all up as you go along. But it's clear you've been on this site far too long with the projections and gaslighting. That's for f3cking sure. You make claims, then when i ask for you to justify it, you come out with this load of bollocks.

I asked you to actually point out where i say anything negative about anyone's ethnicity? Not just claim it like you've done with all the other bullshlt you've come out with that you can't justify. That's being dishonest.

I can give many of the top fighters who fought the best in their amateur career...

Bivol
Valdez
Stevenson
Beterbiev
Joshua
Joyce
Fury
Golonkin
Lomachenko
Usyk
Madrimov
Spence
Zhang
Hrgovic
Yafai
Lara
Robeisy Ramirez
Morrell
Andy Cruz
Sanchez
Buatsi
Alimkhanuly
Conceicao
cissokho
Keyshawn Davis
Berinchyk


Do you get the picture yet? You absolute joke.

Which robberies do i justify and ignore? Are you going to ignore all my requests on justifying your claims?

[Boro]

It's as bad as Germany, but all you can come up with is Hatton's son? F3ck me.

You get the picture? This is how you answer a question of robberies. Not your pathetic attempt. And this isn't even close to all or having all the many ways to gain an advantage over their opponent before fighting them. That is cheating no matter which way you cut it.

Show me where i've been dishonest? You're just making it all up as you go along. But it's clear you've been on this site far too long with the projections and gaslighting. That's for f3cking sure. You make claims, then when i ask for you to justify it, you come out with this load of bollocks.

I asked you to actually point out where i say anything negative about anyone's ethnicity? Not just claim it like you've done with all the other bullshlt you've come out with that you can't justify. That's being dishonest.

I can give many of the top fighters who fought the best in their amateur career..

Which robberies do i justify and ignore? Are you going to ignore all my requests on justifying your claims?

I came up with an obvious example that came straight to my head you ret@rd, I'm not wasting my time thinking about a load of fights were people have been jobbed but if you want robberies/dodgy stoppages i'll get someone to look it up and find the common refs across the board.

Dubois v Lerena TKO (Foster)
Whyte v Franklin MD (Alexander) 115-115 (Langos) 116-112 (Molenda) 116-112
Taylor v Catterall (Foster) 112-113 (IJL) 114-111 (Loughlin) 113-112
Hatton v Martinez 58-57 (Mcdonnell)
Ennis-Brown v Maxwell UD (Gray) 113-116 (Latham) 114-115 (McDonnell) 113-116
Barrett v Martinez UD (Foster) 116-113 (Gray) 118-111 (Williams) 118-111
Marku v Stewart D 76-76 (McDonnell)
Riston v Vasquez UD 115-113 (Alexander) 113-116 (McDonnell) 117-111 (O'Connor)
McKenna v Mimoune UD 97-93 (Coakley) 96-94 (McCann) 96-94 (McDonnell)
Riakorphe v Massey UD REF WATCH (Edwards) 115-113 (Alexander) 115-113 (Foster) 117-111 (Williams)
Sokolowski v Sandland 28-29 (Alexander) 28-29 (Foster) 28-29 (Sarginson)
Smith v Ryder UD 116-112 (Rosa) 117-111 (O'Connor) 116-112 (Torres)
McGregor v Farooq UD 114-113 (Edwards) 113-114 (Latham) 115-112 (Lyson)
Crolla v Frank Urquaia MD 95-95 (Alexander) 97-93 (Foster) 98-92 (Gray)
Davies v Vasquez UD 97-94 (IJL)
Taylor v Persoon MD 96-94 (Nace) 96-94 (Poutraj) 95-95 (Trella)
Benson v McKenna W 95-96 (Alexander)
Yafai v Gonzalez UD 116-112 (Laine) 116-112 (Padilla) 117-111 (Quartorone)
Parker v Williams SD 115-114 (Gray) 113-115 (IJL) 117-112 (Loughlin)
Brubaker v Nurse UD 115-113 (Haefey) 116-112 (Israel) 116-112 (Lucas)
Joshua v Parker UD (Quartarone, absolute disgrace who ruined what could've been a good fight)
Benn v Peynaud PTS 57-54 (Williams)
Whyte v Chisora SD 115-114 (Alexander) 115-113 (Foster) 114-115 (Gray)
Murray v Rosado SD 119-109 (Jankowiak) 116-112 (Molenda) 114-114 (O'Connor)
Fielding v Ryder SD 114-115 (Alexander) 116-113 (Foster) 115-114 (Williams)
McDonnell v Solis UD 115-113 (Christodoulou) 117-111 (Hoyle) 116-112 (Vasquez)
Ryder v Arnfield UD 117-114 (O'Connor) 110-118 (Pineda) 114-115 (Williams)
Froch v Groves TKO 9 (Foster)
Burns v Beltran SD Draw 114-114 (Davies) 115-112 (Ortiz jr) 113-115 (Grootenbruel)
Martinez v Murray UD 115-112 (DeLuca) 115-112 (Hidalgo) 115-112 (Rochin)
Brook v Jones MD 115-113 (Barry) 116-113 (Gray) 114-114 (Kuechler)
Helnius v Chisora SD 113-115 (Jankowiak) 115-113 (Palomo) 115-113 (Quartarone)
Cox v Sai UD 113-115 (Davies) 112-114 (IJL) 113-114 (McDonnell)
McDermott v Fury W 92-98 (O'Connor)
Calzaghe v Manfredo TKO (O'Connor)
Froch v Groenewald TKO 5 (Foster)

Literally everything I've said can be looked up and can be proven including your BS.

I don't give fúck about top fighters fighting top amateurs i've just told you barely any fighters make it to the top level there is tens of thousands of active fighters and you know but a few names and the same applies to amateurs only amplified ten fold.

So you've not only proven my point you've solidified it.

[Sid-Knee]

I came up with an obvious example that came straight to my head you ret@rd, I'm not wasting my time thinking about a load of fights were people have been jobbed but if you want robberies/dodgy stoppages i'll get someone to look it up and find the common refs across the board.

Dubois v Lerena TKO (Foster)
Whyte v Franklin MD (Alexander) 115-115 (Langos) 116-112 (Molenda) 116-112
Taylor v Catterall (Foster) 112-113 (IJL) 114-111 (Loughlin) 113-112
Hatton v Martinez 58-57 (Mcdonnell)
Ennis-Brown v Maxwell UD (Gray) 113-116 (Latham) 114-115 (McDonnell) 113-116
Barrett v Martinez UD (Foster) 116-113 (Gray) 118-111 (Williams) 118-111
Marku v Stewart D 76-76 (McDonnell)
Riston v Vasquez UD 115-113 (Alexander) 113-116 (McDonnell) 117-111 (O'Connor)
McKenna v Mimoune UD 97-93 (Coakley) 96-94 (McCann) 96-94 (McDonnell)
Riakorphe v Massey UD REF WATCH (Edwards) 115-113 (Alexander) 115-113 (Foster) 117-111 (Williams)
Sokolowski v Sandland 28-29 (Alexander) 28-29 (Foster) 28-29 (Sarginson)
Smith v Ryder UD 116-112 (Rosa) 117-111 (O'Connor) 116-112 (Torres)
McGregor v Farooq UD 114-113 (Edwards) 113-114 (Latham) 115-112 (Lyson)
Crolla v Frank Urquaia MD 95-95 (Alexander) 97-93 (Foster) 98-92 (Gray)
Davies v Vasquez UD 97-94 (IJL)
Taylor v Persoon MD 96-94 (Nace) 96-94 (Poutraj) 95-95 (Trella)
Benson v McKenna W 95-96 (Alexander)
Yafai v Gonzalez UD 116-112 (Laine) 116-112 (Padilla) 117-111 (Quartorone)
Parker v Williams SD 115-114 (Gray) 113-115 (IJL) 117-112 (Loughlin)
Brubaker v Nurse UD 115-113 (Haefey) 116-112 (Israel) 116-112 (Lucas)
Joshua v Parker UD (Quartarone, absolute disgrace who ruined what could've been a good fight)
Benn v Peynaud PTS 57-54 (Williams)
Whyte v Chisora SD 115-114 (Alexander) 115-113 (Foster) 114-115 (Gray)
Murray v Rosado SD 119-109 (Jankowiak) 116-112 (Molenda) 114-114 (O'Connor)
Fielding v Ryder SD 114-115 (Alexander) 116-113 (Foster) 115-114 (Williams)
McDonnell v Solis UD 115-113 (Christodoulou) 117-111 (Hoyle) 116-112 (Vasquez)
Ryder v Arnfield UD 117-114 (O'Connor) 110-118 (Pineda) 114-115 (Williams)
Froch v Groves TKO 9 (Foster)
Burns v Beltran SD Draw 114-114 (Davies) 115-112 (Ortiz jr) 113-115 (Grootenbruel)
Martinez v Murray UD 115-112 (DeLuca) 115-112 (Hidalgo) 115-112 (Rochin)
Brook v Jones MD 115-113 (Barry) 116-113 (Gray) 114-114 (Kuechler)
Helnius v Chisora SD 113-115 (Jankowiak) 115-113 (Palomo) 115-113 (Quartarone)
Cox v Sai UD 113-115 (Davies) 112-114 (IJL) 113-114 (McDonnell)
McDermott v Fury W 92-98 (O'Connor)
Calzaghe v Manfredo TKO (O'Connor)
Froch v Groenewald TKO 5 (Foster)

Literally everything I've said can be looked up and can be proven including your BS.

I don't give fúck about top fighters fighting top amateurs i've just told you barely any fighters make it to the top level there is tens of thousands of active fighters and you know but a few names and the same applies to amateurs only amplified ten fold.

So you've not only proven my point you've solidified it.

What the actual f3ck did i just read? This is getting worse and worse by the post.

The stoppage against a clearly hurt Lerena is a robbery? That's your first fight? What????
The second one is a close fight in which Whyte won. I had him by 2. There was no robbery. This fight is just like the Rivas one where looney's actually had Rivas winning even though he only won a couple of rounds. It was one sided. I don't care what the looney's say. I'll happily go over that fight with you punch for punch, round for round, and prove he won it.

At least you got the Taylor and Hatton fights right.

Barrett beat Martinez by 2 on my card. You can't call close wins a robbery. You sound like a Mexican in claiming anything close must automatically go to them. Nearly all of this is reaching. It's pathetic.

Not only did Yafia vs Gonzales take place in Monte Carlo you idiot, but it was a clear win for Yafai. I even did the fight with a Mexican on here a couple of months back who said the same to which he accepted Yafai clearly won after we went over it. I'll do the same with you if you want. But if Yafai wins, you shut your account down and f3ck off. I'm only too happy to get every idiot off this forum. If Yafai doesn't win, i'll shut my account down. Put your money where your mouth is. Can't say fairer than that.

Joshua vs Parker now? Do you want to know the difference between reality and those who wish to discredit someone they're slandering? Let's go over that fight and actually count the amount of times the ref separates them? Let's see if it matches those who have an agenda, yeah? Are you in? You're in for a shock if you are. But by the way you've gone about this, i know you're going to run.

Show me where i've said anything negative about anyone's ethnicity on this thread like you claimed? How many times do i have to ask you on this? Give me the page and the post number. Simple question that seems to have you floundering. A bit like your shlt list then. Where are all these robberies i've justified? Where did you get the idea from? And don't even dare pull the fallacy by pointing out the fights i've listed as evidence. You said this before you made this list. So???? Where am i being dishonest as well?

Yeah, barley any top names in the amateurs make it to the top in the pros even though i've just given you a big list off the top of my head. If i really looked through it all, i'd have an even bigger list. But it was only to make a point. A point you want to pretend isn't there and do exactly what you accused me of being with you being intellectually dishonest. I said the top pros, for the second time, you little pr1ck. That's the second time you've done that now and tried slight of hand. I'm not talking about the thousands of pros who are at the bottom. I'm talking only about the top pros. Do you think you'd be able to keep this information in your thick head, or will it go missing again?

[Boro]

What the actual f3ck did i just read? This is getting worse and worse by the post.

The stoppage against a clearly hurt Lerena is a robbery? That's your first fight? What????
The second one is a close fight in which Whyte won. I had him by 2. There was no robbery. This fight is just like the Rivas one where looney's actually had Rivas winning even though he only won a couple of rounds. It was one sided. I don't care what the looney's say. I'll happily go over that fight with you punch for punch, round for round, and prove he won it.

At least you got the Taylor and Hatton fights right.

Barrett beat Martinez by 2 on my card. You can't call close wins a robbery. You sound like a Mexican in claiming anything close must automatically go to them. Nearly all of this is reaching. It's pathetic.

Not only did Yafia vs Gonzales take place in Monte Carlo you idiot, but it was a clear win for Yafai. I even did the fight with a Mexican on here a couple of months back who said the same to which he accepted Yafai clearly won after we went over it. I'll do the same with you if you want. But if Yafai wins, you shut your account down and f3ck off. I'm only too happy to get every idiot off this forum. If Yafai doesn't win, i'll shut my account down. Put your money where your mouth is. Can't say fairer than that.

Joshua vs Parker now? Do you want to know the difference between reality and those who wish to discredit someone they're slandering? Let's go over that fight and actually count the amount of times the ref separates them? Let's see if it matches those who have an agenda, yeah? Are you in? You're in for a shock if you are. But by the way you've gone about this, i know you're going to run.

Show me where i've said anything negative about anyone's ethnicity on this thread like you claimed? How many times do i have to ask you on this? Give me the page and the post number. Simple question that seems to have you floundering. A bit like your shlt list then. Where are all these robberies i've justified? Where did you get the idea from? And don't even dare pull the fallacy by pointing out the fights i've listed as evidence. You said this before you made this list. So???? Where am i being dishonest as well?

Yeah, barley any top names in the amateurs make it to the top in the pros even though i've just given you a big list off the top of my head. If i really looked through it all, i'd have an even bigger list. But it was only to make a point. A point you want to pretend isn't there and do exactly what you accused me of being with you being intellectually dishonest. I said the top pros, for the second time, you little pr1ck. That's the second time you've done that now and tried slight of hand. I'm not talking about the thousands of pros who are at the bottom. I'm talking only about the top pros. Do you think you'd be able to keep this information in your thick head, or will it go missing again?

Yes the bell going like 15 seconds early in the round Lerena had him in trouble and Dubois getting opportunity after opportunity to get out of trouble but Lerena wasn't afford the same opportunity, Foster was looking to wave it off at first chance.

It's not my first fight I told you I got someone else to fetch up a list so I don't know even know if they're all right (but the majority after a skim seem to be) she even went as far as to mention every promoter involved and the name involved the most was Matchroom unsurprisingly.

Don't really care about your opinion about Brits vs Hispanic people tbh you've shown throughout this conversation a clear and unwarranted disdain towards Hispanics.

It's beyond comprehension you're trying to argue against the ref ruining the AJ vs Parker fight.
The D riding of Brits is outrageous, you'll justify bad reffing just because he comes out with a British flag.

I'm not floundering about anything son, I said you brought up ethnicity in this thread I never said you've targeted anyone on this particular thread based on ethnicity.

But it could be argued based on your attitude towards Hispanics/Latinos you seeming hate of Canelo is based on the sole fact he is Hispanic/Latino.

And of of course you said "top pros" after i corrected you and said most people don't even make it to the top level as an amatuer let a lone pro.

"Fighters who come from countries where the age to start pro boxing is 18 don't get the chance to fight a load of trash cans for years the way Canelo did. They're competing with the best amateurs in the world. But if you're going to include Canelo's fights from the age of 15 to 18, rationally, you'd do the same for every other fighter too. It's very simple to understand. For people who aren't idiots, anyway."

This is the issue with your argument, you're constantly corrected/adding to your argument after I've pointed out the flaws to try and "win" like a female, I haven't changed mine.

It's nothing to do with being intellectually dishonest, it's your inability to frame your argument properly and constantly having to correct yourself because of said abysmal framing.