Comments Thread For: Krassyuk Bemused By Alalshikh's Claim That British Fighters Are The Best In The World

[Mr WorldWide]

Got a point that Turki shouldn't be picking favorites in the fight before it happens.

People in here trying to act like A-side decisions aren't a thing, and that corrupt judges aren't going to give any close rounds to the fighter that the Money prefers.

Usyk is the smaller guy who wins on decisions. Turki running his mouth means that Usyk has to completely dominate the fight in order to win. He's really unlikely to get a KO. And if he also can't win any close rounds, it's not a fair fight. Period. Close rounds should go to the better fighter without bias.

Would Fury fans be happy if Turki was saying "I think Usyk is going to win, and I've got big plans for him after he does"? That's a stacked deck against the decision fighter.

Saudi boxing events don't have a record of bad or corrupt officiating.

WE in the West own that title.

[crimsonfalcon07]

Saudi boxing events don't have a record of bad or corrupt officiating.

WE in the West own that title.

Small sample size...

The issue is the judges, not the location. Even if they're not actively being paid to fix the fight, they're still going to give close rounds to the side perceived as the A-side. Turki has now defined who he wants that to be. He hasn't done that in previous fights.

And they absolutely DO have a record of questionable officiating, even in favor of Fury. Fury got a controversial split vs Ngannou in the very first Saudi event. That's a third of their events to date...

[Smash]

turki must literally be in love with tyson fury (wtf) even after his fake cut scuppered the first event hes even more gushing, gypsy love spell or something, wilder was right, stuff goes on behind the scenes every fight with him

[Mr WorldWide]

Small sample size...

The issue is the judges, not the location. Even if they're not actively being paid to fix the fight, they're still going to give close rounds to the side perceived as the A-side. Turki has now defined who he wants that to be. He hasn't done that in previous fights.

And they absolutely DO have a record of questionable officiating, even in favor of Fury. Fury got a controversial split vs Ngannou in the very first Saudi event. That's a third of their events to date...

The British Boxing Board of Control sanctioned those fights (as far as I'm aware). They are reliably unreliable.

The A-side issue won't go away Any time soon.

[crimsonfalcon07]

The British Boxing Board of Control sanctioned those fights (as far as I'm aware). They are reliably unreliable.

The A-side issue won't go away Any time soon.

Yes... That's why it's an issue for Turki to be taking sides before the fight. Because it introduces A-side bias in an undisputed fight between two undefeated champions that shouldn't HAVE A-side crap. And he's done it on the side of the guy who's delayed the division more than anyone else in years, and against the guy who needs fair judging the most.

[Mr WorldWide]

Yes... That's why it's an issue for Turki to be taking sides before the fight. Because it introduces A-side bias in an undisputed fight between two undefeated champions that shouldn't HAVE A-side crap

Interesting you say that. I watched an interview with Turki today (in English) and he used a translator which I haven't seen him do before and it left me wondering if he knew that his English had left him a bit exposed. There was something odd about it.

[deathofaclown]

That’s fair.

But when it comes to actually fighting? British fighters aren’t the best in the world.

Nobody is

It's a very global sport. The concensus 2 best are a Japanese guy and an American.

The two major heavyweights fighting for top spot are a Brit and Ukranian.

The two best 175 are two russians. And so on...

So yeah its a bit silly to say one country has the best fighters. I guess at one point in history you could say Americans dominated a fair bit, but that soon stopped when the next generation of ex Soviets were allowed to enter pro boxing, especially in the higher weights.

Makes you wonder what the heavyweight landscape might have been like in the 70s and 80s if there was Soviet fghters turning pro when you consider they basically took over the higher weight classes not long after they could enter the pro game. We probably missed out on some excellent fighters that we hardly heard of that may have been right among the best in that era. It'll be silly to dismiss it really when you think they basically took over the higher weight classes once the generation after the soviet collapse grew up.

[Sid-Knee]

The Prince is trippin on this one. The Brit fans are probably the best fans in the world being that even their domestic dust-ups are always packed and they're live, drunk and singing from beginning to end. But most of those guys don't have high success when they step up to world-class level. The Hattons and Calzaghes of the world are few and far in between. The support their fighters receive regardless of level is almost second to none tho.

Brits have the best results at world level. That's a fact. You only need to see the wins. The ones who fail at world level the most are Americans and Mexicans which is why they go after inactive opponents all the time or have them sabotaged another way. Then you look at the mass of corruption and robberies and it's even worse. No one does that if they believe they're world class and good enough. No one. They know they're not good enough. That's the absolute truth.

Never see anything through the eyes of perception. There are those who can't stand the truth so this is their only option. It's pure manipulation. If we did that, we'd never lose another fight again. Whereas Americans and Mexicans lose plenty even when they have a loaded table.

[Sid-Knee]

TBRB P4P Top 10

1. Crawford (USA)
2. Inoue (Japan)
3. Usyk (Ukraine)
4. Bivol (Kyrgyzstan/Russia)
5. Canelo (Mexico)
6. Haney (USA)
7. Beterbiev (Russia/Canada)
8. Lopez (USA)
9. Teraji (Japan)
10. Nakatani (Japan)

Let's check The Ring Magazine.

1. Crawford (USA)
2. Inoue (Japan)
3. Usyk (Ukraine)
4. Canelo (Mexico)
5. Beterbiev (Russia/Canada)
6. Bivol (Kyrgyzstan/Russia)
7. Haney (USA)
8. Spence (USA)
9. Davis (USA)
10. Rodriguez (USA)

I don't see any Brits.

P4P lists are nothing but opinion and always lopsided towards North America to promote. I mean, just imagine Crawford with his terrible resume is P4P number 1 when you have fighters who are a lot more proven.

Just look at Davis and Spence being on there. Who are their actual world class wins? I want those without any advantages. You'll see it's completely bare. Hype, and nothing but hype.

[Sid-Knee]

Many british fighters are straight up trash and keep losing.

Which ones lose without any disadvantages? You'll see nearly every single one is disadvantaged apart from a few over the last 5-6 years.

If you want fighters who keep losing, look no further than North America. Forget the mass of robberies and corruption. List each and every legitimate world level win without any funny business? You're going to badly struggle.