Comments Thread For: Terence Crawford-Israil Madrimov Heading to Los Angeles?

[Oregonian]

So you're bad at reading comprehension too...

I said "IF Bud doesn't sell..."

Eg, even if we grant your premise that he doesn't sell, it still doesn't support the conclusion that he should fight a guy who also doesn't sell for a belt that he already has and never lost in the ring, who has no resume and would just get added to the hypejob bum list if Crawford wins by haters like you.

If he DOES sell better following his dismantling of Spence, he's doing all the heavy lifting of ticket selling on his own fighting Boots, and if he's got to do that, why not get a legacy defining belt in a 4th division?

If he DOESN'T, then he wants to have a dance partner that will sell, and if he can't get that, he needs a shot at a belt in a 4th division, not to fight for a belt he already has and never lost against a guy with no resume.

Either way, whether Bud does or doesn't sell, it still doesn't make a guy who won't help sell tickets a good option.

And if he got locked out of money fights in the past, and doesn't sell, it would be all the more important to him to get money fights, or add to his legacy. Even if we grant every aspect of your premise, it doesn't support your ****** conclusion.

You're just a Crawford hater.

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Since we are personifying this argument and you clearly butthurt, let’s continue;

I’ll start with the truly moronic line of “you are just a Crawford hater”.

I picked Crawford to destroy Spence. I’ve written it here many times. I don’t care for the Canelo fight but I think it would be a 50/50 fight based off Bud’s skills especially as a switch hitter and I would root for him to win. So, to call me a Bud hater is just a typical junkyard mentality or plain ******ity.

Boots would beat all the guys Bud beat at 147. Boots is the top ranked WW the last three years but not once did Bud clamor for that fight.

Bud beating some guys I can’t even recall without googling would be the same thing as the names he has at 140 - Indongo comes to mind. Nobody remembers the rest.

As for your “he’s doing the heavy lifting” asinine, Bud-Spence sold 650k PPV and that was for a historic unification. A fight of such magnitude sold half of what Tank-Garcia sold.

Bud never had nor will he have have that name-recognition you so much allude to. Beating that guy at 154 will not make Bud a Floyd or a PAC or an Ali. It sure will be a resume padding fight and that’s about it.

Bud vs Boots is a fight that can end with a loss. It is the same reason Canelo wants no part of Benavidez. If you are going to defend Bud’s outright duck of Boots, I hope you are also defending Canelo’s malarkey about not fighting Benavidez because “he’s chasing greatness” and “he needs a shot at a belt in a 4th division, not to fight for a belt he already has and never lost against a guy with no resume.”

Those are your words once again. AND IT DOES NOT SUPPORT YOUR ****** CONCLUSION. Again, your words.

[crimsonfalcon07]

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Since we are personifying this argument and you clearly butthurt, let’s continue;

I’ll start with the truly moronic line of “you are just a Crawford hater”.

I picked Crawford to destroy Spence. I’ve written it here many times. I don’t care for the Canelo fight but I think it would be a 50/50 fight based off Bud’s skills especially as a switch hitter and I would root for him to win. So, to call me a Bud hater is just a typical junkyard mentality or plain ******ity.

Boots would beat all the guys Bud beat at 147. Boots is the top ranked WW the last three years but not once did Bud clamor for that fight.

Bud beating some guys I can’t even recall without googling would be the same thing as the names he has at 140 - Indongo comes to mind. Nobody remembers the rest.

As for your “he’s doing the heavy lifting” asinine, Bud-Spence sold 650k PPV and that was for a historic unification. A fight of such magnitude sold half of what Tank-Garcia sold.

Bud never had nor will he have have that name-recognition you so much allude to. Beating that guy at 154 will not make Bud a Floyd or a PAC or an Ali. It sure will be a resume padding fight and that’s about it.

Bud vs Boots is a fight that can end with a loss. It is the same reason Canelo wants no part of Benavidez. If you are going to defend Bud’s outright duck of Boots, I hope you are also defending Canelo’s malarkey about not fighting Benavidez because “he’s chasing greatness” and “he needs a shot at a belt in a 4th division, not to fight for a belt he already has and never lost against a guy with no resume.”

Those are your words once again. AND IT DOES NOT SUPPORT YOUR ****** CONCLUSION. Again, your words.

Holy cow. You wrote a book and didn't respond to any of the points. I haven't even once talked about name recognition. You're just making stuff up and responding to your own nonsense.

IF Bud doesn't sell, or if he does, it doesn't change anything about the lack of benefit from the Boots fight. He doesn't get a dancing partner that sells, he doesn't get a new belt, he doesn't even get a guy for his resume because Boots hasn't fought anyone yet.

Where are all of Bud's future fights at? 154 and up. That's where he's filed for his fights. First vs the winner of Tszyu-Fundora, and then when they ****ed that up, he went after Madrimov. Would have fought Jermell if the latter weren't being a chicken****. Should be pretty obvious where he wants to fight.

Now you want to bring up Canelo. I'd give Canelo a pass if he were fighting Bivol or Beterbiev, or any of the cruiserweight champs. But HE wants to stay at 168, and fight 154 and 160 lb guys while not fighting the top guys in the division he wants to fight in. That's a crucial difference. It's bizarre you don't understand this.

If Bud wanted to stay at 147, but let his IBF go to avoid Boots, then I'd be right there on the "he's ducking Boots" train. But he's moving up to 154. Why are you so invested in a literally unproven jumped up mandatory? Bud already beat the man at 147, and Boots already turned him down twice. Bud then targeted the #1 guy in the 154 division. When said guy lost and the new guy with the belts got a medical suspension for 6 months, he then went after the guy who's literally the next highest ranked champion in the higher division, and you still can't give him credit. "But Booty Ennis tho..."

Boots doesn't have a belt at 154, and he doesn't even have a resume at 147. He's not a PPV star. What do people say when Bud beats the crap out of Ennis too? You know perfectly well that they say "he was just a hypejob. He never fought anyone. Bud fought him when he was still green." Etc. Forget name recognition. Ennis doesn't have ANYONE on his resume. His dad has turned down multiple opportunities to fight bigger profile opponents. He already swerved both Bud and Spence in favor of getting an email belt. At this point he's just 147 Tank Davis, but without the PPV upside.

If you don't understand this, there's no point talking to you further.

[ptek]

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I’m guessing you are ecstatic, over the moon and full of joy with Bud vs Mdrakovech or whoever the fũc that is.
Such a boxing fan you are.

That dudes a champ, who really won his WBA belt in the ring.

He's better than Boots, and he offers Crawford a way to 4th division champion.

don't try to test my knowledge on boxing boy.

all Boots dose is use Crawford's name to hype the boots train.

he may pass the eye test , but he ain't fought nobody to push the needle regarding a Crawford fight.

he ain't calling for nothing , quite as a church mouse because he don't won't to wake the real boogie man.
even fast Eddie is all chat .

tell fast Eddie, where's the bread at for the fight then ???

Only ex Spencerina fan girls now brand new Jaron Boots Ennis fans want that lame two step backwards fight.

[ptek]

Time will tell, but I just hope it's NOT Boots vs. Conor Benn!!!

Why ?,

that would the best fighter he's very faced by a long shot,

Hands down.

[ptek]

Boots could have BEEN one of those ones if he'd continued down the WBO route, or if his dad hadn't turned down 2 offers to fight Bud. And let's be clear. He'd be in that company because he's got no resume. Out of the 20 guys who have been ranked in the top 10 in the last 3 years, he's fought only one (Villa). He's got a long history of turning down smoke at this point.

And you're apparently too ****** to realize that if Bud doesn't sell, then that's all the more reason to find a dance partner who DOES sell tickets, not someone who can't even sell out his own hometown, for a belt that already belongs to Crawford.

That dude your arguing with, is an idiot on top of a fool.
your chatting nothing but sense but his heads all the way up boots arse. Lol

[ptek]

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Perhaps we should define the word ****** AND we’re going to use your very own convoluted logic.

There are your words “…if Bud doesn't sell, then that's all the more reason to find a dance partner who DOES sell tickets”.

So you acknowledge that Bud does not sell tickets then you tells us that he has more reasons to find a dance partner that sells tickets.

So can you explain how Avanesyan, Kavaliauskas and Brook “sell” tickets? This is all your logic so either explain that logic or admit you are a ****** human being.

All 3 fighters sell way more than Boots.

Just because there from Europe and England ,

don't mean s.h.i.t regarding bums on seats , and ticket sales on top of ppv sales.

Brook sells out arenas in Sheffeild England, and is a boxing national hero in England.

Both David and Kav sell more in there home towns in Europe, than Boots dose in Philadelphia where boots is from smart ass.

Fast Eddie will try an make the Boots vs Avanesyan fight next watch and see.

Lol

[crimsonfalcon07]

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I’ll start with the truly moronic line of “you are just a Crawford hater”.

I picked Crawford to destroy Spence. I’ve written it here many times.

Let's see what you actually said before the fight...

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I’m pretty sure your opinion on Crawford has never been influenced by the media so why won’t you give me the courtesy of accepting my opinion as my own. I’ve watched every single fight of Crawford since he was at 140 and I’ve watched the last 15 fights of Spence.
I am a fan of boxing first. I would buy a PPV if I thought it was worth it NOT because I’m invested in a particular boxer.
I am buying Spence-Crawford because I think it’s worth it. I am leaning towards Spence winning but if he loses, so be it.

So, to call me a Bud hater is just a typical junkyard mentality or plain ******ity.

Let's take a look at some of the things you've had to say about Bud in the past then, shall we?

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Multi division champion against who exactly? No Crawford fan can name any of the belt holders he beat at 140.

At 147 his resume is just as shít.

1. Jeff Horn
2. Benavidez
3. Khan
4. Kavaliauskas
5. Brook
6. Porter
7. Avansyan

None of those guys are going into the HoF except maybe Porter.

These are the guys that are better than Spence’s “mediocre” resume?

Man!! YDKSAB!!


Cotto and Mosley have a way better resume at 147 than Crawfart.

But continue to harp on about Spence even after I clearly stated that Spence fighting Thurman is a trash fight.

The bottom line though is, as good a boxer Crawford is, his resume at 147 is littered with asterisks. There is no way a true boxing fan and purist could ever defend or justify fights with Khan and Brook. I’m not even sure if money was a factor. Those two weren’t PPV stars nor did any of those fights have stellar PPV numbers.


Crawford might end up beating Spence, his resume at 147 will still be shït compared to guys like Cotto and Mosley. And I’m saying this because Crawford has been sitting on the P4P mountain for over 4 years now.

Anytime I argue with people I know and ask them to list the names of guys that Crawford beat, NO ONE can name two. That’s how bad his resume is.


Let me be clear again, Crawford is no bum. He is extremely skilled. It’s his resume and P4P rank that stinks.

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You know, Broner is a 4 weight champ too, so perhaps his career is better than Crawford, no?

Tank Davis too is a multiple weight champion, so perhaps his career is better too?


Context matters. So to answer your loaded question, you are suggesting that Crawford’s resume is better because he’s a 3 weight champ. That’s a factual statement of course but it intentionally ignores context.


Crawford has had a much longer career than Spence so he should be miles ahead of Spence in the greatness comparison conversation BUT he’s not.

I would say the same thing about Crawford even if Spence wasn’t in the conversation. Crawford’s record at 147 is a joke. It’s pretty simple. For a guy that’s been on the top 3 P4P list, it’s a shame that all he has to show for it is that he’s got a belt. Thankfully after last week, Canelo knocks him off that pedestal. And hopefully Porter nails that coffin shut with an upset win over him next week.

But yeah, you're not a Crawford hater. You just take every opportunity to **** on him and his resume and hope that he loses every fight because you're such a big fan.

Apparently you're a liar also.

[ptek]

Lol oh yea for sure. To be clear I ain't mad at it & I'm sure the only ppl that are would be boxers who aren't getting offers yet.

I do wonder how long its feasible they can light money on fire & this makes sense to keep doing tho. But I'll enjoy it however long it lasts & I'd hope they can start making it profitable.

It ain't about profit.

it's about the best fighting the best and the paper is on offer to see that , and make that a reality.

Don't worry about the Saudi's profit because it's none of your business in the 1st place.

And know real boxing fan in any era of boxing that is, would ever be interested in that.

They got it , it ain't never goner run out. It's oil money.

[ptek]

PBC is WWE so it's no surprise these ignorant fanboys simping so hard. Yall sad fr

And the 3rd less profitable company, as reported by Forbes list 2023.

Behind Top Rank in 2nd place,

In 1st place is Matchroom boxing company.

It seems, Fast Eddie's making huge profits and knows a thing or to about boxing.

[Eff Pandas]

It ain't about profit.

it's about the best fighting the best and the paper is on offer to see that , and make that a reality.

Don't worry about the Saudi's profit because it's none of your business in the 1st place.

And know real boxing fan in any era of boxing that is, would ever be interested in that.

They got it , it ain't never goner run out. It's oil money.

Thats equally optimistic & naive thinking they will never gaf about making money.

And tbf maybe you are right, but I wouldn't bet they are indefinitely going to throw money into boxing personally.