Comments Thread For: Robson Conceicao Sees World Title Shot Within His Reach

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Robson Conceicao has one mission at this point in his career and that is to become a world champion. After three failed attempts, the junior lightweight returns tonight (April 13) against Jose Ivan Guardado Ortiz as the televised opening bout on the ESPN main card takes place from the American Bank Center, in Corpus Christi, Texas.
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[crimsonfalcon07]

Should be champ right now. Outlanded Navarrete by clear margins in 11 of 12 rounds. No hitting and running. Even getting dropped 3 times, he won basically every other second. That was a straight A-side robbery.

[Elheath]

Should be champ right now. Outlanded Navarrete by clear margins in 11 of 12 rounds. No hitting and running. Even getting dropped 3 times, he won basically every other second. That was a straight A-side robbery.

Not saying you are wrong statistically but for me personally, outland via overall punch number or not when the challenger gets dropped three times in one match while the other side zero it gives me mixed feelings on whether or not the challenger really was a "better" boxer deserving to win via decision. Quick google of the numbers show that true, Conceicao landed like double the punch numbers but his hit % was nearly the same as Navarette, and while he had a better jab % Navarette had the better power punch % and the drop results makes you feel that Navarette was giving significantly more damage overall. Might be just me but it makes me wonder if it gave the impression to the judges of whether all the punches Conceicao was throwing and "hitting" actually doing anything at all and as a result despite the overall numbers it became a majority draw.

Not saying Navarette therefore is the deserving champion because his fight wasn't exactly super impressive either and he isn't as good as his record IMO, but I just can't feel that Conceicao was totally robbed and a better fighter that match. If it was one drop to none Conceicao probably would've won easily in a landslide. Two drop to none would've made it close but won, with possibly some Navarette fans bickering. Three is...really hard to say he was "robbed" IMO. Still could've won? Possibly, but absolutely should've won? Naah...

[crimsonfalcon07]

Not saying you are wrong statistically but for me personally, outland via overall punch number or not when the challenger gets dropped three times in one match while the other side zero it gives me mixed feelings on whether or not the challenger really was a "better" boxer deserving to win via decision. Quick google of the numbers show that true, Conceicao landed like double the punch numbers but his hit % was nearly the same as Navarette, and while he had a better jab % Navarette had the better power punch % and the drop results makes you feel that Navarette was giving significantly more damage overall. Might be just me but it makes me wonder if it gave the impression to the judges of whether all the punches Conceicao was throwing and "hitting" actually doing anything at all and as a result despite the overall numbers it became a majority draw.

Not saying Navarette therefore is the deserving champion because his fight wasn't exactly super impressive either and he isn't as good as his record IMO, but I just can't feel that Conceicao was totally robbed and a better fighter that match. If it was one drop to none Conceicao probably would've won easily in a landslide. Two drop to none would've made it close but won, with possibly some Navarette fans bickering. Three is...really hard to say he was "robbed" IMO. Still could've won? Possibly, but absolutely should've won? Naah...

I hear you, but that's not just coming from the numbers. That's from watching the fight, and watching Conceicao look like he was fully in control of the fight from opening bell to closing bell, except for Navarrete landing a few heavy shots that dropped him. There was only maybe 1 or 2 rounds that it felt reasonable to give it to Navarrete, and the fact that, as the A-side, the judges still couldn't find a way to give him the win, should tell you something. I guarantee that if Conceicao had been champ, he'd have won on wide margins, with the exact same fight.

I've scored the fight before here giving Navarrete every benefit of the doubt, and he still loses by a point. I invite you to watch it and tell me which rounds he wins and if you feel like you can reasonably give him the win. Because if Tyson Fury can beat Ngannou with ONE extra jab landed in the swing round and being the only guy dropped and looking in danger of being stopped, Conceicao fighting his heart out should have won also.

And that's leaving aside the fact that he arguably could have beaten Valdez also. Only lost by a decision so controversial that the judge responsible for the worst card actually apologized and volunteered to remove himself from further championship bouts and undergo retraining.

[Elheath]

I hear you, but that's not just coming from the numbers. That's from watching the fight, and watching Conceicao look like he was fully in control of the fight from opening bell to closing bell, except for Navarrete landing a few heavy shots that dropped him. There was only maybe 1 or 2 rounds that it felt reasonable to give it to Navarrete, and the fact that, as the A-side, the judges still couldn't find a way to give him the win, should tell you something. I guarantee that if Conceicao had been champ, he'd have won on wide margins, with the exact same fight.

I've scored the fight before here giving Navarrete every benefit of the doubt, and he still loses by a point. I invite you to watch it and tell me which rounds he wins and if you feel like you can reasonably give him the win. Because if Tyson Fury can beat Ngannou with ONE extra jab landed in the swing round and being the only guy dropped and looking in danger of being stopped, Conceicao fighting his heart out should have won also.

And that's leaving aside the fact that he arguably could have beaten Valdez also. Only lost by a decision so controversial that the judge responsible for the worst card actually apologized and volunteered to remove himself from further championship bouts and undergo retraining.

Again, not saying Navarette was a deserving winner and did a good job, and I actually hope Conceicao can get fourth time the charm. He also probably did have a fair share of heartbreakers that he got the short end of the stick. It just is too hard for me to say a straight up obvious "robbery" occurred with a three drop difference. It almost feels like as if there were two racers were doing a race trial, and one guy crashed into an obstacle three times while the other guy crashed none and had a similar overall time, but then saying the former is a better driver because excluding the three times he crashed he had a better overall average speed than the other.

In all seriousness though, has there ever been a world title match where one side got dropped three times as opposed to zero and still won via decision?

By the way I personally think Tyson Fury is a piece of slob joke so his match result being controversial and pathetic doesn't make me feel any different about other real boxing matches by legit professional boxers.