Comments Thread For: Paulie Malignaggi: 'Idiocracy' That Has Rewarded Ryan Garcia Will Be Revealed

[BlackRobb]

I dont think reparations are feasible or ethical, because you would have to cause harm to millions of people who had nothing whatsoever to do with slavery, had no connection or lineage to it, and reaped no benefit from it. Money is not infinite. For the government to give it to one group, they must confiscate it from another. All this CRT nonsense is already doing plenty of damage to race relations as it is, trying to convince grade school kids that there are only oppressors or the oppressed, when the kids just want to be friends and play together.

Taking money or property from innocent people is not the answer to whatever victim issue you have going on.

Edit: I dont like even having these conversations, because most times people just want to act like because I have a different viewpoint, that somehow I'm pro slavery or whatever nonsense they spout off with. Nothing could be further from the truth. I just reject the idea that because slavery existed 200 years ago, that people TODAY have some weird claim to damages. Even if you have a direct lineage to a former slave, there is no guarantee that that distant relative (absent slavery) would have been a successful business person, or that they would have had any inheritance that somehow would have lasted 6 or 7 generations and would have ultimately been passed on to you. Its just as likely that they would have just been a working stiff that died broke, like 98% of the rest of the population, of ALL colors. Or even if they WERE successful, who can say that the previous 6 or 7 generations wouldnt have pissed it away? Or lost it all in the stock market? The idea that assumes that any wealth from 200 years ago would have still existed today is just silly.

The biggest downside to today's "woke" culture is that we have given up the right to debate, and the right to disagree, People are afraid to even talk about controversial topics, lest they end up "cancelled". So bad ideas (like reparations) rarely get challenged in the public square because people are afraid to take a position, because they dont want to be unfairly painted as racist, or trans phobe, or whatever boogeyman term pertains to the issue being discussed,

I'm fortunate I guess in that i'm cancel-proof

It's very interesting that you say all of that. You just typed a big load of empty word salad hoping that your nineteen paragraphs of nothing will discourage me. It won't.

Your assertion that the money for Reparations for FBA comes from other groups of people. It doesn't. It comes from the same government that presided over the Slavery Era and benefited from it. Your hypothesis assumes that government money automatically goes to benefit the average citizen. It doesn't. How are all the billions of dollars in military aid to Israel and Ukraine benefiting the average American citizen? Answer that question. You won't because you can't.

People like you balk, squawk and b***h anytime something is proposed that would benefit Black people, especially Black Americans. But I never hear you folks balk, squawk and b***h when Washington sends yet another massive military aid package to Israel or Ukraine.

The same way Washington can find billions for ********* and Zelenskyy, they can find billions to redress a historical wrong that still impacts Black Americans today. Washington can find money whenever it wants for whatever it wants, and until Black Americans receive our deserved Reparations, we will continue to fight, continue to petition and continue to keep the pressure on, no matter how much people like you oppose it for obvious racist reasons.

You may not have been directly responsible for Slavery, but you and your ancestors have benefited from a system of white supremacy and the subjugation of Black people in American society. And it has nothing to do with "woke". "Woke" is a pet term used by the J6 crowd to conceal their real meaning. "Woke" doesn't apply to me because I've never been asleep. My father served in the 82nd Airborne in the 1950s when luncheonettes and diners in the South refused to even allow Black soldiers to eat at lunch counters like human beings. My maternal grandfather served in WW1 in Normandy and told similar stories. Imagine dutifully serving your country and being treated like a third class citizen. Then imagine that the people treating you this way haven't done 1/20th what you have for this country.

So no, you can't gaslight someone like me. I know too much, read too much and have seen too much.

[OnePunch]

It's very interesting that you say all of that. You just typed a big load of empty word salad hoping that your nineteen paragraphs of nothing will discourage me. It won't.

Your assertion that the money for Reparations for FBA comes from other groups of people. It doesn't. It comes from the same government that presided over the Slavery Era and benefited from it. Your hypothesis assumes that government money automatically goes to benefit the average citizen. It doesn't. How are all the billions of dollars in military aid to Israel and Ukraine benefiting the average American citizen? Answer that question. You won't because you can't.

People like you balk, squawk and b***h anytime something is proposed that would benefit Black people, especially Black Americans. But I never hear you folks balk, squawk and b***h when Washington sends yet another massive military aid package to Israel or Ukraine.

The same way Washington can find billions for ********* and Zelenskyy, they can find billions to redress a historical wrong that still impacts Black Americans today. Washington can find money whenever it wants for whatever it wants, and until Black Americans receive our deserved Reparations, we will continue to fight, continue to petition and continue to keep the pressure on, no matter how much people like you oppose it for obvious racist reasons.

You may not have been directly responsible for Slavery, but you and your ancestors have benefited from a system of white supremacy and the subjugation of Black people in American society. And it has nothing to do with "woke". "Woke" is a pet term used by the J6 crowd to conceal their real meaning. "Woke" doesn't apply to me because I've never been asleep. My father served in the 82nd Airborne in the 1950s when luncheonettes and diners in the South refused to even allow Black soldiers to eat at lunch counters like human beings. My maternal grandfather served in WW1 in Normandy and told similar stories. Imagine dutifully serving your country and being treated like a third class citizen. Then imagine that the people treating you this way haven't done 1/20th what you have for this country.

So no, you can't gaslight someone like me. I know too much, read too much and have seen too much.

This is one of those topics that people really dont want to actually "debate". Instead, they want to soapbox and hope nobody challenges their position. I am willing to engage, even though we have vastly different life experiences and viewpoints. But here goes......

You tried to dismiss my argument as "word salad", but you are missing the biggest point I was trying to make. You say the "government" is the entity to offer redress. However, the "government" doesnt actually produce revenue, It simply reallocates revenue it has collected from other people in the form of taxes. I dont think you have truly calculated how much it would take to fund your reparations scenario. There are roughly 42 million black americans. That does not count mixed race people who identify as white or hispanic. It also does not account for black cubans, black dominicans, and other folks with some level of black ancestry. So even if we only account for the 42 million people, and gave each one a million dollars, that would be 42 TRILLION dollars, which is almost twice the entire US Gross Domestic Product. Its absurd to even think about it, much less to actually believe it is doable. If you confiscated every penny from Jeff Bezos, Warren Buffet, Elon Musk, the rest of the top 1%, and multiplied it by 50 you still wouldnt have enough. And I have heard other reparations proponents suggests amounts of $5 million or $10 million each, which is even more ridiculous.

No one with any sense will say that black folks in America are on a level playing field. We are making progress, but obviously there is still a ways to go. But the things that would actually make a difference are not interesting or controversial enough for people to talk about them. In my opinion, the 2 biggest things that negatively impact black americans is substandard education opportunities, and the breakdown of the black family unit. Our system of funding school districts based on property taxes from the surrounding area is a flawed model, and perpetuates inner city schools always underperforming, as they are perpetually underfunded. This also affect poor white kids and poor hispanics as well, but I think it is much more pronounced in the AA community due to how housing, Section 8, etc is administered. And the govt certainly did not do black folks any favors by convincing black women that they did not need a man in the house. I think alot of the social programs that on the surface looked like they were trying to help, actually indirectly destroyed the black family unit, and now too many young men are growing up without a stable father figure, and with a single mother who is likely overwhelmed. And once in "the system", it becomes virtually impossible for most of these families to climb up out of it. The "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" is a tired cliche.

But again, most people dont want to actually discuss areas that ARE able to be improved, and work towards those changes. Its boring, and hard work. Those areas like education, housing, family dynamics, things like that. Sadly its just easier to play the victim and wait around for someone to write a check.

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Dudes is quite jelly in this thread

[OnePunch]

I noticed you didn't answer my question, so I will ask it again: Why are Reparations for actual documented harms done to Black Americans a problem, but countless billions in military aid to Israel and Ukraine is not?

I didn't address is because its mostly irrelevant to this conversation, and truthfully it should be pretty obvious.

Military aid (whether you personally agree with it or not) is part and parcel of protecting US interests here and abroad. Allowing Russia to simply go around the globe invading countries would be unwise for Americas future security interests. Also allowing ***** or Iran to wipe out Israel and take over their nuclear weapon arsenal would be insane. Nobody with more than 12 active brain cells believes that the world would be safe if Hezbollah or ISIS or ***** had a nuke. Those wack jobs would absolutely detonate it.

We can certainly agree or disagree on the AMOUNT of aid that gets spent, or the amount of our military budget alllocations, but they amount to pennies compared to what you are proposing,

And a stable middle east and a stable eastern europe is good for ALL americans. What you are proposing would destroy our economy for decades, and would only benefit about 13% of the population.

In other words, IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN. No matter how long you rant about it.

You also stated that trying to debate with someone of a different background is a fools errand. Well who exactly are you supposed to debate with then? Staying in your echo chamber of backslappers who agree with every word you say will never effect change. And as much as you seem to hate white people, it will take white people to make the sort of societal changes that can benefit the black community. It was WHITE PEOPLE and the Union government that abolished slavery (fighting and killing their own race and countrymen in the process) in the first place, not the ****** or the slave traders.

But odds are we have gone as far as we can with this conversation. Peace..............

[daggum]

paulies career was the definition of entitled. he got easy title shots, big fights he didnt deserve, gift decisions, etc...ryan garcia is like a clone of paulie

[BlackRobb]

I didn't address is because its mostly irrelevant to this conversation, and truthfully it should be pretty obvious.

Military aid (whether you personally agree with it or not) is part and parcel of protecting US interests here and abroad. Allowing Russia to simply go around the globe invading countries would be unwise for Americas future security interests. Also allowing ***** or Iran to wipe out Israel and take over their nuclear weapon arsenal would be insane. Nobody with more than 12 active brain cells believes that the world would be safe if Hezbollah or ISIS or ***** had a nuke. Those wack jobs would absolutely detonate it.

We can certainly agree or disagree on the AMOUNT of aid that gets spent, or the amount of our military budget alllocations, but they amount to pennies compared to what you are proposing,

And a stable middle east and a stable eastern europe is good for ALL americans. What you are proposing would destroy our economy for decades, and would only benefit about 13% of the population.

In other words, IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN. No matter how long you rant about it.

You also stated that trying to debate with someone of a different background is a fools errand. Well who exactly are you supposed to debate with then? Staying in your echo chamber of backslappers who agree with every word you say will never effect change. And as much as you seem to hate white people, it will take white people to make the sort of societal changes that can benefit the black community. It was WHITE PEOPLE and the Union government that abolished slavery (fighting and killing their own race and countrymen in the process) in the first place, not the ****** or the slave traders.

But odds are we have gone as far as we can with this conversation. Peace..............

Generational wealth was created thanks to Slavery. Reparations is just the minimal I.O.U. expected. Minimal because if we start talking about compensation for generational trauma, human rights violations, civil rights violations, dehumanization, degradation, marginalization and social ruination, the combined wealth of every nation on this planet couldn't afford that bill. So Reparations is just a ****!ng drop in the hat compared to what we as FBA are really owed. The bastards should fall over themselves to pay us that tiny fraction Reparations represents before we start demanding payment IN FULL. They don't want history taught in it's truest context because if the real history of what was done in this country was taught, the world would see that Reparations is the very least. Reparations would be the very starting point of proper historical redress of what was done to our ancestors in America. That's why they try to slap labels like "Critical Race Theory" onto these teachings. It's not Critical Race Theory. It's H-I-S-T-O-R-Y.

[BlackRobb]

I didn't address is because its mostly irrelevant to this conversation, and truthfully it should be pretty obvious.

Military aid (whether you personally agree with it or not) is part and parcel of protecting US interests here and abroad. Allowing Russia to simply go around the globe invading countries would be unwise for Americas future security interests. Also allowing ***** or Iran to wipe out Israel and take over their nuclear weapon arsenal would be insane. Nobody with more than 12 active brain cells believes that the world would be safe if Hezbollah or ISIS or ***** had a nuke. Those wack jobs would absolutely detonate it.

We can certainly agree or disagree on the AMOUNT of aid that gets spent, or the amount of our military budget alllocations, but they amount to pennies compared to what you are proposing,

And a stable middle east and a stable eastern europe is good for ALL americans. What you are proposing would destroy our economy for decades, and would only benefit about 13% of the population.

In other words, IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN. No matter how long you rant about it.

You also stated that trying to debate with someone of a different background is a fools errand. Well who exactly are you supposed to debate with then? Staying in your echo chamber of backslappers who agree with every word you say will never effect change. And as much as you seem to hate white people, it will take white people to make the sort of societal changes that can benefit the black community. It was WHITE PEOPLE and the Union government that abolished slavery (fighting and killing their own race and countrymen in the process) in the first place, not the ****** or the slave traders.

But odds are we have gone as far as we can with this conversation. Peace..............

You didn’t address my question because you’re a coward and the answer embarrasses you. The fact of the matter is that people like you would rather see billions go to pointless wars that have absolutely nothing to do with America than see Reparations rightfully paid to FBA for documented historical wrongs and atrocities.

You mean protecting NATO and Zionist interests. ***** and Hezbollah exist because of American support for Israeli atrocities. Without Washington propping up that virulently criminal regime, these “terror groups” would have no need to exist. You can’t even define “American interests”. That’s simply a FAUX News talking point. The fact of the matter is that what people like you call “American interests” are simply needless agitation of Washington’s perceived enemies. It’s ok for America to secure its borders from Russia and China, but God forbid Russia and China do the same. Imbeciles like you are full of more sh** than the East River. And what makes you think Israel will act responsibly with nuclear arms? Are they acting responsibly while slaughtering innocent *********** women and children?

You’re full of it. Relative to what Black Americans are really owed for the amount of dehumanization, brutalization, degradation and depravation we’ve historically suffered, Reparations is but a drop in the bucket to what we’re really owed if we demanded payment IN FULL. People like you should get down on your scabby knees and thank God we don’t demand what we are really owed.

The 59% has already destroyed America. Paying our Reparations is a drop in the bucket compared to what we should really demand. Europe and the Middle East are not my concern. I don’t live there and honestly don’t care about what goes on there. America’s problem is that it consistently injects itself into world affairs that do not directly impact her. This is why America has so many enemies all over the world, and why China and Russia serve as a needed counter-balance.

Oh, but Reparations will eventually be paid to FBA. It may not happen while I’m alive, but it will happen. Racist COWARDS like you pray every night that it doesn’t because like I said, people like you hate anything that benefits, heals or makes Black Americans whole. You people even become apoplectic over Black athletes succeeding. That’s why you attack guys like Lebron so viciously.

I don’t hate white people. Why would I hate a race of people who are prone to suicide and get strung out on Meth, Tranq and Fentanyl all across America? Why would I hate a race of people whose birth rates are rapidly dwindling?

Another popular racist LIE. The Civil War was fought to prevent the South from seceding and to preserve the Union. Ending Slavery was never the goal of the Civil War. It was merely incidental. I see you believe all of the “white lies” you were taught by this inherently vile and racist miseducation system. So sad.

Societal change for Black Americans doesn’t come from white. It comes when Black Americans stand tall and make demands. Power yields nothing to someone on their knees.

You mean you have gone as far as you can with this conversation. I’m just getting warmed up. In fact, give me your e-mail so I can really unload the way I want to without needing to couch my language on someone else’s forum. But you won’t do that because you know I’ll drag you viciously and leave you reaching for your pill bottle.

The only thing worse than an imbecile is a racist imbecile with very little education. Don’t feel bad. Your boy with the orange eyebrows will be back in the WHITE House in nine months.

Peace

[I_Didn't_Hear_No_Bell]

a historical wrong that still impacts Black Americans today.

Get a job you lazy nig

[OnePunch]

Imbeciles like you are full of more sh** than the East River. And what makes you think Israel will act responsibly with nuclear arms? Are they acting responsibly while slaughtering innocent *********** women and children?

Is that supposed to be a joke??? Newsflash genius, ISREAL HAS NUKES, AND HAS HAD THEM FOR DECADES. Yet The ************ still exist??? Israel can turn **** into a wasteland in about 10 minutes, whenever they feel like it. They could wipe out every *********** just as easy as you or I would swat a fly. Yet they don't do it. On the other hand, if ***** had a functioning nuke, they would fire it at Israel without hesitation. Not to hard to see which group are the lunatics here.

[BlackRobb]

Is that supposed to be a joke??? Newsflash genius, ISREAL HAS NUKES, AND HAS HAD THEM FOR DECADES. Yet The ************ still exist??? Israel can turn **** into a wasteland in about 10 minutes, whenever they feel like it. They could wipe out every *********** just as easy as you or I would swat a fly. Yet they don't do it. On the other hand, if ***** had a functioning nuke, they would fire it at Israel without hesitation. Not to hard to see which group are the lunatics here.

North Korea and Pakistan also have nuclear weapons. Neither has used them against enemy neighbor states. Does that mean we can presume that they never will, Einstein?

You Zionist lap dogs are amazing in terms of how far you will contort and gyrate in order to justify the war crimes being committed by this ********* state that's on a Washington leash.