Comments Thread For: Carl Froch: Joe Calzaghe Represents a 'Bullet Dodged'

[PRINCEKOOL]

eubank is a better win than any froch win? eubank was so past it he wasnt even ranked when calzaghe fought him. in fact he had lost 2 fights to steve collins 2 years prior and toiled away in obscurity before fighting calzaghe. even years before the collins fight eubank was getting gift decisions against guys like schommer and debatable decisions against guys like ray close. he was pretty clearly on the slide way before fighting calzaghe and he never won another fight after the calzaghe fight. dont see how you can say this is some notable win. its akin to conor benn beating pacquaio right now. just a name.

Chris Eubank Senior is a better fighter than everyone of Carl Froch's resume 'Accept maybe Andre Ward, maybe on his best night'.

Did you watched the Collins vs Eubank Senior fights? Or have you just looked up the records?

It does not really matter whether Eubank Senior lost to Steve Collins 'They were competitive fights, Eubank Senior could of possibly won the rematch'.

Note: Joe Calzaghe for all the way people mock his resume, he still has better wins than Carl Froch 'Calzaghe's resume is underrated in my opinion'.

No matter who people think would win 'I think both Froch and Calzaghe would of beaten Canelo Alvarez at 168 pounds' etc.

[Jack_sh*t]

I mean, he wasn't that far off his best really. He had his two best wins of his career by a mile the 2 fights prior, he was P4P ranked, he was #1 in the division.

Roy Jones hadn't beaten a ranked opponent in what? 5 years or something? Never did again. Was totally shot to pieces by then.

It's ridiculous to even compare to two, one was in the Top 5 P4P list, coming off far and beyond the two best wins of his career, was clearly no where even remotely close to shot and the other was without a ranked win in half a decade and was totally shot to pieces.

You're welcome to stop comparing them whenever you like.
Or are you reacting emotionally to the term 'Sherman?'

Joe's hands were fkd and the basis of your argument is that RJJ didn't have the sense to hang 'em up when he was done. That's hardly news..

[IronDanHamza]

You're welcome to stop comparing them whenever you like.
Or are you reacting emotionally to the term 'Sherman?'

Joe's hands were fkd and the basis of your argument is that RJJ didn't have the sense to hang 'em up when he was done. That's hardly news..

Sorry, you've lost me there. Comparing who?

Don't see your point, what's your argument here? That Calzaghe and Roy Jones were at similar stages in their career or is it not?

Because my response to that, for the second time, is that's just simply no where even close to true.

Calzaghe was in the Top 5 P4P list, the #1 in his division coming off far and beyond the best two wins of his career.

How could you possibly then say that Roy Jones, who hadn't beaten a ranked fighter in half a decade and never did again was in any way comparable to that?

[Jack_sh*t]

Sorry, you've lost me there. Comparing who?

Don't see your point, what's your argument here? That Calzaghe and Roy Jones were at similar stages in their career or is it not?

Because my response to that, for the second time, is that's just simply no where even close to true.

Calzaghe was in the Top 5 P4P list, the #1 in his division coming off far and beyond the best two wins of his career.

How could you possibly then say that Roy Jones, who hadn't beaten a ranked fighter in half a decade and never did again was in any way comparable to that?

You stated ‘It's ridiculous to even compare to two’ When that’s obv what we’re doing here.

I guess my point is that, regardless of Joe’s status in any arbitrary or abstract list, he was at a point where he could no longer continue as a result of the damage to his hands.

I’ve stated that “I'm in no way suggesting RJJ was anywhere near his best at that point” & I’m assuming from your comments that we agree on that. However, you appear to be painting Joe as being at his peak when they fought based on his inclusion on a list which is entirely subjective, i.e WHO’s p4p list are you referencing here? I’m pretty sure I can pull up a range of contemporary p4p lists which variously feature Crawford, Inoue, Canelo, Usyk, Beterbiev or Bivol at the top.. Hell, there’s probably even one out there with Tank at the top.. It’s just an opinion.

Fact remains that however depleted Roy was at that point, he went on to have another 19 pro fights whilst Joe was forced to retire because his hands were made of biscuits by then, irrespective of where you rank him.

For the record, both guys are nailed on HOF imo & if they’d fought when they were both at their peak I’d struggle to pick a winner. As it is, I really enjoyed the fight they eventually put on, especially as they arranged it between them via text message & just agreed a 50/50 split. The show of respect they showed for each other was humbling to watch and ranks up there with Inoue v Donaire 1 in that respect.

Rambling now, so I’ll stfu..

[Jack_sh*t]

Even when there was talk of Carl Froch fighting Gennady Golovkin 'I would have backed Carl Froch to beat Golovkin'.

I’ll just leave this here…

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[IronDanHamza]

You stated �It's ridiculous to even compare to two� When that�s obv what we�re doing here.

I guess my point is that, regardless of Joe�s status in any arbitrary or abstract list, he was at a point where he could no longer continue as a result of the damage to his hands.

I�ve stated that �I'm in no way suggesting RJJ was anywhere near his best at that point� & I�m assuming from your comments that we agree on that. However, you appear to be painting Joe as being at his peak when they fought based on his inclusion on a list which is entirely subjective, i.e WHO�s p4p list are you referencing here? I�m pretty sure I can pull up a range of contemporary p4p lists which variously feature Crawford, Inoue, Canelo, Usyk, Beterbiev or Bivol at the top.. Hell, there�s probably even one out there with Tank at the top.. It�s just an opinion.

Fact remains that however depleted Roy was at that point, he went on to have another 19 pro fights whilst Joe was forced to retire because his hands were made of biscuits by then, irrespective of where you rank him.

For the record, both guys are nailed on HOF imo & if they�d fought when they were both at their peak I�d struggle to pick a winner. As it is, I really enjoyed the fight they eventually put on, especially as they arranged it between them via text message & just agreed a 50/50 split. The show of respect they showed for each other was humbling to watch and ranks up there with Inoue v Donaire 1 in that respect.

Rambling now, so I�ll stfu..

Well yeah that is the entire point, he wasn't that far off his peak at that point whereas Roy Jones was about what? 10 years removed from his? Hence the silly comparison.

The stages of Calzaghe and Hopkins careers would be more fair, since both were champions, both were top of the P4P list, both were performing at the top level. etc.

Roy Jones hadn't beaten a ranked fighter in 5 years. It's obviously not an impressive win and it's as good as meaningless really.