Comments Thread For: Clash of Mexican Superstars: Canelo Alvarez Duels All-Action Star Jaime Munguia

[A.B Counterhooks]

Well, they aren't A LOT more deserving than Munguia. And, yes, part of them being more deserving to me is their time at 168. They certainly don't have nearly the profile/fan base/hype and, therefore, marketability as Munguia. Also, I haven't said it in the posts to this article, but I've said it elsewhere: I like Munguia. He seems to be a nice young man. And his fights are exciting. Great combination of action and vulnerability due to his defensive deficiencies.

And I wouldn't have a problem with Canelo fighting Munguia if Canelo's last 4 fights hadn't been Bivol, GGG, Ryder, and Jermell. Canelo isn't fighting the best opponents in his division: FACT. Hell, THREE of those guys weren't even IN his division. And Munguia went to 168 - first fighting another 160-lber and then the ghost of Ryder, simply because Canelo fought him and didn't KO him - specifically to get the Canelo fight. So, is he really a 168 lber? I don't blame him or his team. Props to them for a great strategy.

And Benavidez deserves scrutiny too. Besides losing his belt on the scale (Canelo couldn't be "undisputed" without fighting Benavidez if he didn't lose the belt on the scale), he last fought Andrade who wasn't a true 168 lber either. And now he's going up to 175 for his next fight instead of fighting Morrell or Mbilli. From one point of view, he doesn't appear ever to get a shot at the belts at 168 the way things are going and he'll probably have a better chance fighting the winner of Beterbiev-Bivol. But, from the other point of view, he should do what Canelo isn't doing: clean out the division and be the People's Champ.

Valid points, fair enough.

[Lance98]

Haha, all action? Canelo is not a fighter that comes forward and throws a million punches recklessly. He is going to be slow and methodical while munguia is going to look like a fool coming in head first with crap defence. No way this will be an action fight. It might be a 1-sided beatdown.

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I like how Pauli Malignaggi put it the other day on ProBoxTV. Paulie - paraphrasing - said Canelo never fights his mandatories (168, 160, 154) if they pose a risk. Doesn't even mention their names. But when the mandatory is someone he knows he'll demolish he takes the fight and says "we don't have a choice, he's a mandatory".

It's always a selective choosing. I'll give you an example, ryder, he was going to fight DMJ for a mandatory position and the BS WBA regular belt, date, agreement, ringside to promote the fight, the whole enchilada, they saw what happened to caceres the same that has made JCCJ quit, they ran away and the excuse was he was challenging bivol for the 175 belt, wtf? Of course they didn'thave much time to invent a plausible lie, so they went with the most outrageous. He got his shot through the WBO after two or three fights, meanwhile Morrell Jr has defended the belt five times and have been mandatory for three years, but he hasn't been mentioned nor the fight been enforced or canelo stripped.

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Oh I know how to judge talent alrite dont get confused here, my question remains who exactly morrell has ever beaten to become mandatory/interim,please dont tell me aidos or yamaguchi are better rivals then Chenko or Ryder , I know u always going to defend him cause hes cuban(i get and respect that) but we cant no longer use that excuse that absolutely NO ONE wants to fight him,this is pro boxing/prize fighting ,either DMJ needs to change manager or change promotions cause we dont want him to become another boo boo andrade lol.

PBC should just put him against mbilli or shishkin some real top 10 we already know the ginger has business to take care of with Jaime and possibly Benavidez giving his 3 fight plan this year. DMJ needs to stay busy against someone with a pulse. He also a big boy he could perfectly compete at 175 like benavidez if his team unable to get him a proper fight at SMW.

I know you're a reasonably person, I have read some of your posts, ryder is a journeyman and a punching bag, he's not world class fighter and we both know how and why he got those two fights, first munguia shouldn't has fought ryder after the beating he took from ginger, he should have fought mbilli or Morell jr, and beating an old journeyman comi g from a lost shouldn't qualify him to fight for the unified division. When you start by pointing out who he has fought and so on, you lose all credibility because nobody is fighting any worthy opponent, starting with canelo, the only one asking for pain is Morrell Jr and the boogeyman benavidez is going up to fight another old man, why? Because he doesn't want to face the Cuban. He doesn't need to change promoter or manager, the fighters need to grow some balls and fight him, mbilli was his mandatory for a couple of years, did he force the issue? Have you ever heard him talking about DMJ? I'll give you deivachenko as a good opponent, not ryder, I believe the same Aidos that show up for Morrell Jr would have trashed the same ryder munguia fought, and have given munguia all he could handle just like chenko did. I have defend benavidez in his quest to fight canelo, he ain't Cuban, I have critique Rigondeaux for his stubbornness and lack of engagement and he's Cuban, my two favorite boxers are Duran and Barrera, they're not Cubans. I'm defending Morrell Jr because is the right thing to do, he's been snubbed and avoided because he has talent, he's fast hit like a mule and have pedigree, he doesn't need to fight the proverbial bum of the month, he can challenge the tops guys in this case benavidez and chances are he's going to win. Every expert, every fan can see this but until a top guy does pick the gauntlet up, he will have to keep beating no hopers. I think the best thing he could do is start drinking and smoking and show up unprepared for a fight, you know, show some ***** in the armour. All other contenders and pretenders are waiting for the lottery ticket, canelo, and only the 2nd tier will get the call. Morell jr is in the same place lomachenko, Rigondeaux and Ramirez were a few years back, they don't need 40 fights to fight for a belt, actually find a guy that in his first 10 his opponents had a combined record of 189 wins with 21 loses, including 3 undefeated fighters with 50-0. I dare you to find one SMW, past or present.

[Gaydrien Boner]

Haha, all action? Canelo is not a fighter that comes forward and throws a million punches recklessly. He is going to be slow and methodical while munguia is going to look like a fool coming in head first with crap defence. No way this will be an action fight. It might be a 1-sided beatdown.

Lance this is the first time I actually agree with you, Munguía needs to fix things with Freddie Roach or he's getting clobbered by Canelo

[ShoulderRoll]

First off, I keep asking YOUR opinion of the rankings. But you won't give it. Don't you have one? All you're doing is citing OTHER opinions (the alphabet belts, BoxRec, ME).

Of course I have a bias, which is just another way of saying I have an opinion. But, I think I've been pretty good at explaining how I reached my opinion. The above reply to A.B Counterhooks provides even more.

The last thing I'll say is I believe Munguia is gonna get throttled by Canelo. KO'd within 7 is my prediction. And IF I'm right (I've definitely been wrong plenty), my bias/opinion/reasoning will be vindicated (for this fight, anyway).

What is your prediction?

Morrell hasn’t fought anyone and neither has Mbilli. Munguia being ranked #3 by the fair and unbiased BoxRec computer seems accurate to me.

I’m picking Canelo to beat Munguia by late KO in a fight that can’t help but be entertaining.

[Tag, You're Hit]

Morrell hasn’t fought anyone and neither has Mbilli. Munguia being ranked #3 by the fair and unbiased BoxRec computer seems accurate to me.

I’m picking Canelo to beat Munguia by late KO in a fight that can’t help but be entertaining.

I appreciate getting your take.

[garfios]

Morrell hasn’t fought anyone and neither has Mbilli. Munguia being ranked #3 by the fair and unbiased BoxRec computer seems accurate to me.

I’m picking Canelo to beat Munguia by late KO in a fight that can’t help but be entertaining.

How do you know the computer is unbiased and not the guy that's feeding the computer? Which 168 pounder munguia has fought that worth a dime? Two fights at "168" against a career MW and a washed journeyman and he's #3 and fighting for the belts.

[ShoulderRoll]

How do you know the computer is unbiased and not the guy that's feeding the computer? Which 168 pounder munguia has fought that worth a dime? Two fights at "168" against a career MW and a washed journeyman and he's #3 and fighting for the belts.

A computer just knows the algorithm it is being fed.

It doesn’t try to defend Morrell’s resume at all costs just because he’s Cuban.

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A computer just knows the algorithm it is being fed.

It doesn’t try to defend Morrell’s resume at all costs just because he’s Cuban.

The computer will do what is been command, there's always a back door. That I know, just when Marciano vs Ali was programed into a computer years ago, guess who won?
ps. By the way, are you cosigning this fight now? A few months back you were against it. What changed? And please don't say the computer make you do it.