How Great is Usyk's Chin?

[Atypicalbrit]

AJ never connected clean on usyk the best shots he landed were half cuffing blows.

AJ was very unconfident during the time he fought Usyk, was not sitting down on his shots and not stepping in with authority.

Usyk fought the same AJ that took 10 rounds to finish off a 40 year old Robert helenius and Kubrat Pulev and who never hurt jermain franklin and ran away from Ruiz for 12 rounds.

Let's be real about things.

[dan-b]

I might be a "forum polemicist", but what does that make of you, chasing me, especially when it comes to your beloved Usyk? It seems I might be effective in exposing a certain type of people because here you are posting over and over only to deflect the fact and make it look like it's only a biased opinion. This is desperate fanboyism.

"Operative word" - just admit it you are so into Usyk that you struggle to admit the guy has a weak body, which you probably consider shameful, but no fighter is perfect.




Sharing my opinion when we discuss it is "altering record books"? But why would I tell you - you seem to know, don't you? So if I only praise a fighter, will that "alter the record books" making him remembered as even greater?

We've exchanged a few posts. We can stop if you prefer?

[dan-b]

AJ never connected clean on usyk the best shots he landed were half cuffing blows.

AJ was very unconfident during the time he fought Usyk, was not sitting down on his shots and not stepping in with authority.

Usyk fought the same AJ that took 10 rounds to finish off a 40 year old Robert helenius and Kubrat Pulev and who never hurt jermain franklin and ran away from Ruiz for 12 rounds.

Let's be real about things.

The reason he didn't connect clean is because Usyk is an elite boxer and Ngannou is an 0-2, plodding novice.

[Atypicalbrit]

The reason he didn't connect clean is because Usyk is an elite boxer and Ngannou is an 0-2, plodding novice.

It's fine if you want to live in some dream world where form doesn't mean anything in sport but I contextualise performances.

Usyk may beat the best version of AJ, but I don't know that because he's never fought him, he's fought a sub par AJ in the middle of the worst run of form of his career.

Yes, the MIDDLE of it, as in he was very poor BEFORE and after the Usyk fights.

It is what it is, Usyk has 2 8-4 points wins over the worst version of AJ, thats still good, but it is what it is.

[Dr. Z]

AJ's right obliterates people. He landed it flush on Usyk in their first fight (I can't remember the round) and again hugely in the tenth round of their second fight. Olek was definitely buzzed but shook it off both times.

Thoughts?

It is very good say at 8-9 out of 10!

[JakeTheBoxer]

The reason he didn't connect clean is because Usyk is an elite boxer and Ngannou is an 0-2, plodding novice.

Yep. casuals want us to pretend Ngannou is elite boxer.

Ngannou is a garbage and Fury is not any good anymore. Joshua is good, but not the best.

[deathofaclown]

AJ's right obliterates people. He landed it flush on Usyk in their first fight (I can't remember the round) and again hugely in the tenth round of their second fight. Olek was definitely buzzed but shook it off both times.

Thoughts?

Many of AJ's stoppages have been accumulation though. He hasnt stopped too many decent fighters with a single shot when fighters are fresh.

No doubt he can crack and you wouldn't wanna be on the end of too many, but his right hand doesn't necessarily obliterate people instantly in the way you say it does, as his career shows.

Plenty of fighters have taken big shots from him and not folded immediately.

If Usyk stood as square on as a Ngannou and took it flush like that, he would be hurt, as would anyone. But that's where boxing ability becomes more important than a chin. Stand completely square on and exposed vs almost anyone with power and you'll know about it.

[dan-b]

It's fine if you want to live in some dream world where form doesn't mean anything in sport but I contextualise performances.

Usyk may beat the best version of AJ, but I don't know that because he's never fought him, he's fought a sub par AJ in the middle of the worst run of form of his career.

Yes, the MIDDLE of it, as in he was very poor BEFORE and after the Usyk fights.

It is what it is, Usyk has 2 8-4 points wins over the worst version of AJ, thats still good, but it is what it is.

But you're decontextualising his run of form against two journeymen, a fringe contender and a novice.

Narratives are great, aren't they?

[Quercusalba]

Many of AJ's stoppages have been accumulation though. He hasnt stopped too many decent fighters with a single shot when fighters are fresh.

No doubt he can crack and you wouldn't wanna be on the end of too many, but his right hand doesn't necessarily obliterate people instantly in the way you say it does, as his career shows.

Plenty of fighters have taken big shots from him and not folded immediately.

If Usyk stood as square on as a Ngannou and took it flush like that, he would be hurt, as would anyone. But that's where boxing ability becomes more important than a chin. Stand completely square on and exposed vs almost anyone with power and you'll know about it.

Well said.

[dan-b]

Yep. casuals want us to pretend Ngannou is elite boxer.

Ngannou is a garbage and Fury is not any good anymore. Joshua is good, but not the best.

People are emotional and get excited. Because he's just knocked out a novice following wins over a fringe contender and two journeymen, suddenly he's "back" and what we saw previously was a "different" AJ.

It's incredible how blind people are to their own cognitive dissonance. Everyone else is "deluded" or has an "agenda". Discussing boxing online is mostly a waste of time because people are borderline superstitious in their reasoning skills.