Comments Thread For: Canelo Alvarez-Jaime Munguia Set for May 4

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canelo is a fraud. he jumps around weight divisions looking for the cherries. he jumps around networks looking for the cherries. this is the same fraud who waited till ggg was 35 to fight him. this is the same fraud who waited till ggg was 40 for the third fight. this is the same fraud who used ped's for the 2nd fight. this is the same fraud who ducked beterbiev because he said he was too small only to go up to try and rob bivol and got the beating of a liftetime. this is the same fraud who has ducked benavidez for years saying the best have to fight the best then #1 benavidez beat #2 plant and canelo still didnt fight him insstead choosing a teeny tiny man named charlo and a bum named mungia who recently lost to dervychenko lmao. how will they try to spin this crap? its floyd all over again. oh wow mungia beat john ryder!!! the guy who got a gift against jacobs and lost every round to canelo...amazing stuff! hes worthy but benavidez isnt? cant be believed. delay delay delay avoid avoid avoid. take your loss and move on. you will still be popular. hoya lost a lot of his fights but he at least fought them! its all about ego now. canelo has zero confidence

[TintaBoricua]

The reality of the situation isn't just that Canelo ducked Benavidez to fight Munguia and, if he fights David next all is forgiven. Certainly, we'll all be in a forgiving mood should Canelo fight Benavidez in September. But, these are Canelo's last four opponents: GGG (lifelong 160-lber), John Ryder (journeyman), Jermell Charlo (lifelong 154-lber), Jaime Munguia (been at 168 for two fights - barely beat a lifelong 160-lber and then beat said journeyman who since retired). Are those last four opponents the ones the undisputed 168 lb champion should be facing when the consensus top fighters at the weight (Benavidez, Morrell, Mbilli) are snubbed? Of course not.

My point is, be mad at Canelo NOW. Not WHEN he decides to fight Berlanga next.

He won’t. That’s where I would draw the line. I can in a ****ed up way justify Jermall because I’m sure they had an agreement before Jermell did a tailspin and Munguia despite being very hittable it’s got the potential to be exciting.

Berlanga is just…there’s nothing that’s enticing about him persoanlity-wise nor skill-wise. He’s puncher who fights with a lot of self-doubt but talks as if he’s the greatest thing since sliced bread in deserving a fight with Canelo. Ryder at least beat Danny Jacobs and Munguia has won a couple big fights in his last two outings.

And I’m Puerto Rican, but Berlanga is out there clubbing and about that night life. I reckon he’s got 5 years at best left. Sorry for the long rant, I despise Berlanga with a passion.

[garfios]

The bias by the writer is ridiculous. He talks about team Benavidez walking away from an offer when team Benavidez has been caught lying back and forth about offers including deleting a previous claim about $55 after being called out then Benavidez Sr admitted Canelo had sent them an offer, but David went to fight Gvozdyk. Also, there's no mention of Hearn stating that he sent Benavidez an offer to fight on DAZN but he wanted to dictate the networks. Or that Benavidez himself said he'd refuse to cross the street even though he's the B side who needs Canelo not the other way around. And no mention of PBC breaching their contract with Canelo.

Also, the writer describes GGG as lethargic and Charlo was simply disinterested when neither champ has ever been reluctant to let their hands go and they had the world to gain by beating Canelo, but you think they were suddenly reluctant just 'cause lol? Literally, Canelo's trademark is making opponents reluctant to let their hands go when he gets his offense going including much bigger champ Smith. Instead of giving him credit for neutralizing elite fighters, he tries to downplay it with his framing.

Every time he has fought an elite fighter, he lost. Floyd, Lara, old ggg, bivol. If you think smith is elite, look what happened to him before and after he fought ginger.

[Tag, You're Hit]

He won’t. That’s where I would draw the line. I can in a ****ed up way justify Jermall because I’m sure they had an agreement before Jermell did a tailspin and Munguia despite being very hittable it’s got the potential to be exciting.

Berlanga is just…there’s nothing that’s enticing about him persoanlity-wise nor skill-wise. He’s puncher who fights with a lot of self-doubt but talks as if he’s the greatest thing since sliced bread in deserving a fight with Canelo. Ryder at least beat Danny Jacobs and Munguia has won a couple big fights in his last two outings.

And I’m Puerto Rican, but Berlanga is out there clubbing and about that night life. I reckon he’s got 5 years at best left. Sorry for the long rant, I despise Berlanga with a passion.

I'm fine with Canelo fighting whoever he wants to fight, including Berlanga. I get the various reasons he took the fights he's had and fights he might take going forward. But, he should give up the belts. He doesn't deserve to have them anymore. And if he doesn't relinquish them, the alphabet orgs should strip him. Immediately.

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Lennox is about as Canadian as Canelo being Irish.

Corrupt mother fu.ckers giving Bute that long count and stealing the win from Librado Andrade. F.uck off with your bullsh.it boy. You know sh.it about boxing you maple syrup licking off a moose’s ass loser.

Did Canelo grow up in Ireland? Learn to box in Ireland and win a gold medal for Ireland in the Olympics? Fking idiot.

[Caxcan]

Didn't make Bivol any less reluctant did he son?

He didn't get his offense going like I said. That fight was a next level leap on top of the most difficult style matchup and he was supposedly dealing with injury. Notice afterward Benavidez or any of the other guys offered to move up to face Bivol to show they're willing to take risks like Canelo and prove they can do better. They don't want to risk their 0s for the cash out when that's the main thing they have to offer.

[Caxcan]

Every time he has fought an elite fighter, he lost. Floyd, Lara, old ggg, bivol. If you think smith is elite, look what happened to him before and after he fought ginger.

Most of the greats have losses, that's what happens when you consistently test yourself and his only came taking next level situations like facing P4P #1 Floyd at 23 and moving down to his catchweight to get it done. The important thing is he grew from the experience and a few fights later claimed a well earned win over Lara who lost the fight on his bike conceding exchange after exchange because he never had an answer for Canelo's body attack. That fight only highlights my point about fighters giving the most reluctant performances of their careers when he gets his offense going despite having the world to gain by beating him. Dude promised to take Canelo to school but ended up ditching class instead lol.

Even next level hyped favorite GGG in the rematch: when Canelo called his bluff and came out aggressive, he suddenly abandoned his team's plan by retreating and trying to jab his way out of the Mexican style fight instead of committing to his power like usual and refusing to risk throwing to the body period when that was his bread and butter, but he only ended up catching more damage as a result with Canelo closing in with power shots to his body and head. GGG had rejected the trilogy a few years prior to it going down, but he was still considered a live dog with people saying he could make it a war however it goes, but GGG wouldn't even let his hands go despite the judges trying to hand him the win. So GGG even as favorite was reluctant, Lara who was at his peak against a 23yo was reluctant, Jacobs who was coming off giving GGG hell and was the bigger man was reluctant, Kovalev who's got one punch KO power at light heavy was reluctant, Jolly Green Giant lookalike Smith was reluctant yet was willing to open up more against Beterbiev. None of those champs had ever been gun shy like that, but the writer tries to downplay undisputed Mell as being uninterested instead of outclassed.

Meanwhile knocking him for losing to Bivol and being 1-1 vs light heavy champs shows haters lost the plot when the only ex welterweight to become champ at 175 beside himself was Thomas Hearns who looked natural in the division. You know you're generational when your ceiling is doing things no fighter this era has done. But you're out here even trying to criticize him for well earned wins including against a fighter in Lara ducked by Floyd, GGG and Andrade and another against the hyped up favorite GGG who was supposed to destroy him with even GGG's own corner saying it's ridiculous to not give him credit.

[Caxcan]

canelo is a fraud. he jumps around weight divisions looking for the cherries. he jumps around networks looking for the cherries. this is the same fraud who waited till ggg was 35 to fight him. this is the same fraud who waited till ggg was 40 for the third fight. this is the same fraud who used ped's for the 2nd fight. this is the same fraud who ducked beterbiev because he said he was too small only to go up to try and rob bivol and got the beating of a liftetime. this is the same fraud who has ducked benavidez for years saying the best have to fight the best then #1 benavidez beat #2 plant and canelo still didnt fight him insstead choosing a teeny tiny man named charlo and a bum named mungia who recently lost to dervychenko lmao. how will they try to spin this crap? its floyd all over again. oh wow mungia beat john ryder!!! the guy who got a gift against jacobs and lost every round to canelo...amazing stuff! hes worthy but benavidez isnt? cant be believed. delay delay delay avoid avoid avoid. take your loss and move on. you will still be popular. hoya lost a lot of his fights but he at least fought them! its all about ego now. canelo has zero confidence

Straight comedy. Canelo's resume is generational stacked as the only fighter this era and one of the few in history to bridge the gap from 154-175 (technically fought from 140 to 175). And he didn't just compete in those divisions, he's the only fighter in history to either unify or claim Ring titles in each division from 154, 160, 168 including beating the other top rated champ beside himself in those divisions. And at 175, he's the only ex welter besides Hearns to be champ there and fought 2 of the 3 Russian champs while the 3 have never fought each other once. As the smaller man, he's out here doing the work they should be doing but your biggest knock is he didn't fight every last 175lber (even when Arum was the one saying he wasn't looking to compete with DAZN/PBC money and would sit back confident that Canelo would come looking for them for 175 undisputed if he had beaten Bivol). And he's currently reigning as the only 4 belt 168 undisputed in history with a record number of defenses of any 4 belt crown. But you're so desperate to prop up someone over him the best you can do is a guy who dropped the belts and ducked the champs to put himself in Canelo's shoes? Funny thing is you knock Canelo's stacked resume then expect for people to be impressed by Benavidez fighting one of the guys he already knocked out as his top career opponent in his 11 year pro career.

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Most of the greats have losses, that's what happens when you consistently test yourself and his only came taking next level situations like facing P4P #1 Floyd at 23 and moving down to his catchweight to get it done. The important thing is he grew from the experience and a few fights later claimed a well earned win over Lara who lost the fight on his bike conceding exchange after exchange because he never had an answer for Canelo's body attack. That fight only highlights my point about fighters giving the most reluctant performances of their careers when he gets his offense going despite having the world to gain by beating him. Dude promised to take Canelo to school but ended up ditching class instead lol.

Even next level hyped favorite GGG in the rematch: when Canelo called his bluff and came out aggressive, he suddenly abandoned his team's plan by retreating and trying to jab his way out of the Mexican style fight instead of committing to his power like usual and refusing to risk throwing to the body period when that was his bread and butter, but he only ended up catching more damage as a result with Canelo closing in with power shots to his body and head. GGG had rejected the trilogy a few years prior to it going down, but he was still considered a live dog with people saying he could make it a war however it goes, but GGG wouldn't even let his hands go despite the judges trying to hand him the win. So GGG even as favorite was reluctant, Lara who was at his peak against a 23yo was reluctant, Jacobs who was coming off giving GGG hell and was the bigger man was reluctant, Kovalev who's got one punch KO power at light heavy was reluctant, Jolly Green Giant lookalike Smith was reluctant yet was willing to open up more against Beterbiev. None of those champs had ever been gun shy like that, but the writer tries to downplay undisputed Mell as being uninterested instead of outclassed.

Meanwhile knocking him for losing to Bivol and being 1-1 vs light heavy champs shows haters lost the plot when the only ex welterweight to become champ at 175 beside himself was Thomas Hearns who looked natural in the division. You know you're generational when your ceiling is doing things no fighter this era has done. But you're out here even trying to criticize him for well earned wins including against a fighter in Lara ducked by Floyd, GGG and Andrade and another against the hyped up favorite GGG who was supposed to destroy him with even GGG's own corner saying it's ridiculous to not give him credit.

He didn't earn the Lara's fight it was a gift and a very controversial one. He would have earned it if he knew how to cut the ring, and been more accurate, if you want to give him points for trying so poorly is your prerogative, you already have smith as an elite fighter. The question was simple enough, how many elite fighters he has beat without controversy? You wrote a whole chapter for one question which means, you don't know the answer or you want to excuse the reply with some explanation, in any case is a deflection and not a straight answer.
ps. You lost me when you didn't mention ggg first fight (and he was already past his prime, just like kovalev) and when you knowingly left kovalev condition, age and back to back camps with a 12 round grueling fight against yards, and the drained domestic level smith, he didn't opened up against an old Beterbiev, he got smashed to pieces. You see if you're going to write a lot be real. His five fights with the four elite fighters could and should have been a least four loses and one draw. You take SRL with half his fight and have a heck of a record against ATG.

[Regge]

He didn't earn the Lara's fight it was a gift and a very controversial one. He would have earned it if he knew how to cut the ring, and been more accurate, if you want to give him points for trying so poorly is your prerogative, you already have smith as an elite fighter. The question was simple enough, how many elite fighters he has beat without controversy? You wrote a whole chapter for one question which means, you don't know the answer or you want to excuse the reply with some explanation, in any case is a deflection and not a straight answer.
ps. You lost me when you didn't mention ggg first fight and when you knowingly left kovalev condition, age and back to back camps with a 12 round grueling fight against yards, and the drained domestic level smith, he didn't opened up against an old Beterbiev, he got smashed to pieces. You see if you're going to write a lot be real. His five fights with the four elite fighters could and should have been a least four loses and one draw. You take SRL with half his fight and have a heck of a record against ATG.

Did Floyd earn the Castillo GIFT? that unlike Canelo/Lara was NOT disputable.