How would a prime cus tomato Mike Tyson do against Usyk?

[Oracle01]

A lot of people underestimate how good most of the current top HWs are.

its actually the opposite. They are crap.

[hugh grant]

So I'm really the first person in this thread to mention Usyk struggled with an old Chisora? And muppets got him beating a prime Tyson. Christ..

Yes, but was usyk at his best that night? Usy k still won. Tyson weren't at his best, so he lost to buster

[Marchegiano]

Tyson destroys him.


People present the lack of talent in the post Lennox world like as if it is an opinion.

It is not my opinion top fighters of the heavyweight division used to display more techniques and more variety of technical prowess.

It is not my opinion top fighters of the heavyweight division use amateur techniques in pro and championship fights.



They're not worse than their granddaddies, they just throw less punches, less types of punches, from less positions, and less postures, and, they do use amateur techniques when they do throw a punch which causes HW title fights to look, from a technical perspective, more like olympic boxing than a professional HW title fight.



Usyk's a great boxer in a world dominated by a fatman who learned the pivot and the clinch.

Usyk's toast in the land of Spinks, Tyson, and Holy. Dead ****in meat. Michael deserves more respect than this ****.

[_Rexy_]

So I'm really the first person in this thread to mention Usyk struggled with an old Chisora? And muppets got him beating a prime Tyson. Christ..

Lot's of people make that claim. Problem is, it didn't happen.

Usyk boxed off the back foot, avoided Chisoras aggression and won the fight 9-3 while hurting Chisora multiple times.

[Tatabanya]

I'm not even sure Usyk would defeat a prime Michael Spinks, let alone Tyson.

[Oracle01]

Lot's of people make that claim. Problem is, it didn't happen.

Usyk boxed off the back foot, avoided Chisoras aggression and won the fight 9-3 while hurting Chisora multiple times.

Official scorecard was 7-5 on two cards..

[MONGOOSE66]

But how does Tyson handle the movement of usyk

Tyson had no problem with boxers EVER. He was most comfortable when people avoided him cause he had such explosive foot speed and oh yea, fast hands. No heavy weight had that type of foot speed for closing distance.

[PRINCEKOOL]

Mike Tyson at his supposed peak, and any version of Tyson from the 90's would of beaten Oleksandr Uysk 'Stylistically it is a very difficult fight for Uysk. I don't think Uysk is stylistically a difficult for Mike Tyson to prepare for'.

Mike Tyson for me has, too much power, speed, durability and? I believe Tyson's defense for the large majority of his career 'Was superior to Uysk's'.

Uysk is a great fighter, but really if you check his attributes 'He does not really have the specific game to beat Mike Tyson'. Usyk's brute strength is nowhere near Mike Tyson's level, Uysk has respectable punching power but he is not monster puncher, Uysk has a very limited inside game and has never shown much ability in terms of rough house tactics i.e wrestling on the inside and disrupting a fighters momentum.

Michael Spink's was essentially the Oleksandr Uysk of the 1980's 'Mike Tyson blasted Spinks out in 91 seconds'.

Note: People seem to believe that great offense is 'A fighter staying at long range, or standing a few meters away from their opponent'.

There are really no great defensive fighters within this Heavyweight era 'David Haye for me at his peak, was the last Heavyweight to display the kind of sophisticated defense which I am referring to'.

A true great defensive fighter, incorporates their defense simultaneously into their offense 'Mike Tyson was that type of fighter'.

Usyk in some ways just like Joshua, but marginally better 'Is ether attacking, or defending, moving or punching'. Heavyweights in today's era for me, can kind of get by with that sort of game, but I honestly don't think they would be as effective in past era's.

We know Uysk can be hit, he does get ****** about in most of his fights at Heavyweight 'And the fighter's he has been fighting, do not have the speed, power, agression and punch variation of Mike Tyson'.

Even if somehow Oleksandr Uysk takes the fight into the second part of the fight 'The reality of his career at Heavyweight is? Uysk has not won a high intensity long distance fight'.

Uysk fought Joshua twice, and achieved two wins 'I personally regard those two Heavyweights fights, skill for skill as the highest level boxing fights of this era'.

But stylistically those two fights, are not the type of action Uysk would experience vs Mike Tyson 'Joshua vs Uysk I & II, the action resembled a super high level Olympic Amateur fight, but in the professional ring. Those two fights where great fights in terms of boxing from mid to long range, skill for skill, point for point boxing'.

Mike Tyson is not playing around with that type of action 'Mike Tyson is bringing a sophisticated form of violence. A style and form of violence, we have not witnessed inside a boxing ring since his retirement'.

And contrary to certain narratives Mike Tyson, is not just going to disappear 'If Usyk does not fall down, and he shows resistance'. Mike Tyson in all of his fights win or lose, fought gallantly until there was no more.

It took a 28 punch combination from a 265 pound Danny Williams, to hammer a injured Mike Tyson to the canvas 'Still Mike Tyson rose up from the canvas with a injured knee'.

Evander Holyfield, Lennox Lewis, Kevin Mcbride 'It does not matter what stage of Mike Tyson's career, or the version. Mike Tyson was a warrior, and it is a complete myth that he would just disappear soon as his opponent displayed resistance'.

Mike Tyson for me, has no bad loses 'In all of his fights, win or lose there was always flashes of Iron Mike Tyson'.

Donovan Razor Ruddock was the Deontay Wilder of the late 80's and 90's 'But technically better, and a Super Heavyweight'.

Razor Ruddock showed extreme violent resistance towards Mike Tyson, in both of their fights 'Did Mike Tyson suddenly decided to disappear? No'.

Mike Tyson brutally fought Donovan Razor Ruddock 'Both fighters sustaining damage, Razor Ruddock with the more sevré damage'.

Which I will now list for you: Broken Jaw Bone, 6 Fractured ribs.

That is one 12 round fight vs Mike Tyson in 1991 'Oleksandr Uysk from what I have witnessed of his game, he is not beating Mike Tyson'.

To conclude: I rate Oleksandr Uysk, he is the most accomplished active fighter in the entire sport of boxing. But stylistically being real, Mike Tyson is a extremely difficult fight for him.

Whether it is Mike Tyson at his peak, or any version of Mike Tyson during the 90's 'All the way up to 2000. I still believe Uysk would really struggle to beat those versions of Mike Tyson' etc.

[The D3vil]

He'd fold him.

Joshua almost got to him a few times.

Tyson had the speed, quickness, & power in both hands to stop him.