3 Reasons Francis should actually be favored over AJ

[Stab Master Arson]

Francis is pushing 40 and is 0 and 1 as a boxer. Jesus christ.

[TMLT87]

"Pointier" maybe, but not harder. The whole point of gloves is that you can hit harder wearing them. That's why MMA doesn't have the same level of brain trauma tragedies.

The brain trauma issues in boxing are because of counts after knockdowns, up to 36 mins fight time etc allowing fighters to take more prolonged head trauma before the fight is over. theres a lot more big force potential in MMA (head kicks, flying knees, big slams, in some organisations at certain times even stomps/kicks to someone on the floor etc) but the difference is they almost always end the fight quickly and even eating some solid punches will generally put someone down fast compared to eating the same shots in boxing.

[Atypicalbrit]

Francis is pushing 40 and is 0 and 1 as a boxer. Jesus christ.

Arslanbek Makhmudov was 34 and 18-0

Numbers don't win fights.

[TMLT87]

Arslanbek Makhmudov was 34 and 18-0

Numbers don't win fights.

Especially in boxing where its the norm for promoters to ensure pretty much anyone they're invested in has a massively inflated record full of bums and cherry picks. Makhmudov is a perfect example, Ngannou has fought more dangerous "boxers" in MMA than 18-0 Makhmudov did in boxing.

[Toffee]

definitely harder. smaller harder contact area = stronger impact. physics 101

which is why boxers don't normally get KOed in high guard, MMA fighters get KOed all the time with just a high guard.


kicks >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. punches

Smaller contact area does not necessarily equal more force if other things are not equal.

There's that small matter of speed and momentum to consider.

MMA guys don't hit as hard because they'd shatter their hands if they hit like boxers. Boxers have that padding to allow them to put everything they've got through a punch.

I see another point about flying knee kicks. How often is a maximum force flying knee knockout kick actually executed? That's a pretty high tariff move. I don't watch much MMA because it's crap but I've only seen one. So what, 1 in 50 fights? 100?

[TMLT87]

MMA guys don't hit as hard because they'd shatter their hands if they hit like boxers. Boxers have that padding to allow them to put everything they've got through a punch.

So do you think Ngannou was punching with less force in MMA than he was against Fury?

I see another point about flying knee kicks. How often is a maximum force flying knee knockout kick actually executed? That's a pretty high tariff move. I don't watch much MMA because it's crap but I've only seen one. So what, 1 in 50 fights? 100?

Do these look like lower impact head traumas than boxing finishes to you? and this video doesnt even have UFC finishes in it for copyright reasons.

[HeadShots]

Smaller contact area does not necessarily equal more force if other things are not equal.

There's that small matter of speed and momentum to consider.

MMA guys don't hit as hard because they'd shatter their hands if they hit like boxers. Boxers have that padding to allow them to put everything they've got through a punch.

I see another point about flying knee kicks. How often is a maximum force flying knee knockout kick actually executed? That's a pretty high tariff move. I don't watch much MMA because it's crap but I've only seen one. So what, 1 in 50 fights? 100?

Doesn’t have to be a flying knee. Any knee to body or face in a standing position is harder than a punch.

[Marchegiano]

Doesn’t have to be a flying knee. Any knee to body or face in a standing position is harder than a punch.

No it isn't, go take a physics class.

I am a kinesiologist and prosthetist. The physics of the human body is my money. You can double down and throw at me all the goofy sports "science" and stats you've learned over the years but I'm coming from actual medical science not some goofy dojo or whatever that measures a kinetic reading using an electronic devices that can only actually measure acceleration. ... ... ... for absolutely no reason.

Maybe I'm projecting but **** it, I am going to head off the "i've seen a punch machine" sort of responses anyway.


Why would you convert a physical action into an electric unit than use acceleration to get an estimate on the power, that is work over time, when, in fact, all you need is a weight, a ruler, a stop watch, and an action for the exact kinetic force sum in a kinetic unit? Promotional bull**** like kids in their gi chopping bricks.

[PRINCEKOOL]

After watching the film of the Fury/Francis fight, I actually believe Francis is the odds on favorite.

Here is why.

1. He is stronger than AJ, an experienced grappler, and wrestler, he will be able to wear AJ down in the clinches by the 4th round as AJ does not have a real gas tank, and panics when shoved out of his comfort zone.

Anthony Joshua is typically a boxer who does not like, to clinch or wrestle on the inside. If Joshua can avoid those kind of encounters, he has always 95% of the time 'Decided to use different fight tactics'. Even in fights were Joshua has been the stronger fighter in terms of brute strength, he has been content with boxing from mid to long range'.

It has also been historically extremely difficult for any fighter, to engage with Joshua 'In a fight which consist of primarily inside fighting and wrestling'.

Joshua quite simply, innately just does not want to play along with those type of tactics. He will by default as a Olympic Champion, be determined to established superiority with his mid to long range boxing skills primarily.

Anthony Joshua is a more fundamentally sound, and technically efficient fighter than both Tyson Fury and Francis Ngannou. Joshua is statistically the most proven pure boxer in the Heavyweight division outside of Fury and Uysk.

Joshua has objectively fought the highest number of World and Elite level fighters in the Heavyweight Division, out of the top-4 Heavyweights i.e Fury, Uysk, Wilder and Joshua himself. Joshua even though he is the most experienced heavyweight at World and Elite level, he has statistically been very difficult to out box. Also compared to Fury and Wilder 'Joshua has been decked the least number of times'.

Joshua is the most experienced active Heavyweight, in terms of fighting at World and Elite level. For the large majority of his opponents it has been extremely difficult for them to win rounds against Joshua consistently, only really Kiltschko, Uysk and Ruiz I 'They have been the only fighters who were able to win round's against Joshua consistently'.

Out of those three opponents, Joshua has wins over 2 of those fighters 'Joshua beat up and knocked out, Kiltschko in the greatest Heavyweight title fight of the past 25 years. And he avenged his loss to Ruiz Junior II, and won 12-0 easy in their rematch'.

I believe it is a over estimation of Ngannou's abilities, for you to state 'That Joshua is just simply going to let him, get into a position were he can grapple'.

And it is also a under estimation if Joshua's own athletic and strength abilities 'That Ngannou even if he was in that position, would pushed him about'.

Anthony Joshua is a stronger all round athlete and fighter than Fury 'It is official Joshua in terms of pure athleticism is a superior athlete to Fury'.

Anthony Joshua after winning the Olympic Title, entered into a competition called Superstars 'This is a competition, were Olympic athletes from other sports all compete against one another. They compete in various athletic disciplines, ranging from the fundamental Track and Field Athletic events, swimming, cycling, gym based exercises and multi-disciplined events.

Anthony Joshua won the entire competition, proving that he is a great athlete 'Both inside a boxing ring, and outside the ring'.

he will be able to wear AJ down in the clinches by the 4th round as AJ does not have a real gas tank, and panics when shoved out of his comfort zone.

Francis Ngannou in a 10 round fight vs Tyson Fury, threw 231 punches, 8 punches more than Tyson Fury. Ngannou thus-far in his boxing career, has not proven that he has greater endurance than Anthony Joshua.

In fact I am going to state? That Francis Ngannou has not shown any evidence that he has comparable endurance to Anthony Joshua inside a boxing ring. These statements I am making, are based off statistically evidence 'The raw data of Joshua's performance's'.

Ngannou vs Fury was not a high intensity fight 'Ngannou if he made one mistake? Was that he never pressured Fury enough, especially when he had him hurt. And I believe this was because, Ngannou's endurance is not great inside a boxing ring'.

Anthony Joshua's endurance is not super great, but compared to 95% of the other Heavyweights in the game 'Joshua's endurance is satisfactory'. Joshua statistically actually has comparable levels, if not greater levels of endurance than Tyson Fury.

These statements and opinions are based off statistical evidence and raw data 'They are not based off media narratives, or complete trash perpetuated by certain folk in the boxing community'.

Here are some statistics for you: Which prove in a side by side comparison, that Joshua historically throughout his entire career. Has displayed comparable if not greater level's of endurance than Tyson Fury, in all of his high level fights. The statistic's will also show, that Francis Ngannou really? Has not shown any evidence that he has comparable levels of endurance to Joshua 'Joshua has competed in many fights, which have concluded before the 10 th round. And in those fights, he was producing a higher work-rate than what Francis Ngannou was displaying vs Tyson Fury.

Anthony Joshua's total out put vs Wladimir Kiltschko was 355 punches. The fight lasted into the 11 th round.

Tyson Fury's total out put vs Wladimir Kiltschko was 371 punches. The lasted the full 12 rounds.

Anthony Joshua's total out put vs Usyk I was 641 punches. Joshua achieved a higher work rate than Usyk.

Tyson Fury's total out put vs Deontay Wilder I was 327 punches. The fight lasted the full 12 rounds. I.E Deontay Wilder's total out put was 430 punches. The fight was a draw, Fury was backed up all night and decked twice etc.

Anthony Joshua's total out put vs Usyk II was 492 punches. The fight lasted the full 12 rounds.

Tyson Fury's total out put vs Deontay Wilder II was 267 punches. The fight lasted into the 7 th round.

Anthony Joshua's total out put vs Alexander Povetkin was 256 punches. The fight lasted into the 7 th round.

Francis Ngannou's total out put vs Tyson Fury was 231 punches. The fight lasted the full 10 rounds, Ngannou produced a higher work rate than Tyson Fury by 7 punches 'A Tyson Fury who apparently according to many people, was not in his best possibly condition. Tyson Fury was most likely not in his absolute best condition, but in my opinion he was in fight condition'.

Anthony Joshua's total out put vs Otto Wallin was 165 punches. The fight lasted until the 6th round 'If Joshua would of continued his trajectory in terms of work-rate, he would of produced a higher work-rate than Ngannou or at the least matched him'. And this is a fight were Joshua was visible, not even out of second gear.

Conclusion: As you can see, Joshua's endurance is nowhere near as bad as people make out. And a certain Tyson Fury's endurance is completely and utterly overrated by miles. I am not claiming that Joshua's endurance is great, but within this era of heavyweights? It is satisfactory.

Francis Ngannou from what I have witnessed thus-far, does not have greater levels of endurance than Anthony Joshua.

2. He has heavy hands, it won't take much to shake AJ up, even a grazing shot, and once Francis has him in trouble, AJ won't have the stamina, the cojones, or the will to stand up after he is hurt

Anthony Joshua is the most thoroughly tested active Heavyweight 'In terms of all the styles he has fought, and the level he has consistently fought at'. Anthony Joshua compared to both Fury and Wilder, has been decked the least number of times 'Even though he has fought consistently at a higher level, than both of those fighters'.

Of course Ngannou I believe has genuine Heavyweight punching power. But many fighters who Joshua has fought, have also been way more proven pure punchers than Francis Ngannou inside a boxing ring.

So far in Ngannou's boxing career, he hurt Tyson Fury decked him early in the fight 'Then after this? Ngannou struggled to pressure Fury, and get him out of there. Ngannou won the fight, but lets get real here 'There were some concerning aspects of Ngannou's performance'.

All time great punchers, and offensive fighters 'Once their opponents are hurt, they get them out of there. Or at least hurt them again'. Ngannou for whatever reason, when he had Tyson Fury hurt 'Ngannou for me, did not pressure Fury enough'.

Contrary to certain narratives, Joshua has never been knocked out 'Every-time he has been knocked down, he has got up. Joshua was stopped once on his feet with a smile on his face vs Ruiz Junior I. Joshua avenged that loss, and won the rematch 12 - 0 easy, over the distance'.

3. Francis showed surprising counter punching ability, especially inside, he has the hand speed, and surprising timing, these are among the ingredients to force AJ into a fight.

Just my two cents

If Anthony Joshua comes into this fight, and he wants it to be a pure boxing match 'Then the likely-hood, is that it will be a boxing match'. Throughout Joshua's entire career, there have been very few fighters who have been able? To dominate the narratives in the fight. 95% of the time, it is Joshua himself who dictates the narrative of the fight i.e Whether the fight is going to be a boxing match, a brawl, or chaotic.

Joshua when he rematch Ruiz Junior II 'Made a conscious decision, that the fight was going to be a boxing match. Ruiz Junior could do nothing about it, but just go along with the action'.

There have only been two fighters in Joshua's career, who have been able to compete with him 'In terms of establishing their narratives in the fight. Wladimir Kiltschko and Oleksandr Usyk'.

When Francis Nagnnou fought Tyson Fury, after the knock-down 'This is what happened in that fight'. I am actually going to give Tyson Fury credit for certain aspects of his performance in that fight.

After Ngannou scored a knock down vs Fury 'Tyson Fury got up, and went back to his corner. Fury made a conscious decision, that the fight was now going to be a boxing match'.

What did Francis Ngannou do about this? Nothing, he just went along with it. This is how Tyson Fury, to a certain extent fought his way back into the fight.

Francis Ngannou thus-far in his boxing career, has not really shown that he has those abilities which you are bestowing upon him 'Ngannou has shown that he is a solid fighter with good fundamentals. Ngannou is also quite astute at reacting to the action inside the boxing ring'.

But what people need to understand is? World to Elite level boxers, are not just reacting to the action in the ring 'They are reacting, anticipating and establishing the action'.

We have witnessed Ngannou only really do one of those things so far in his career 'React'. Tyson Fury was decked by Ngannou, because Fury is innately a clumsy fighter 'Fury came out into that fight, believing that he would just bull Ngannou out of the ring. After the knock-down, Fury realized that those were the incorrect tactics'.

Fury after this point, altered the narrative the fight 'Fury made the fight a boxing match, and Ngannou just went along with it'.

To conclude: Franacis Ngannou is a solid fighter, and this is a serious fight 'Ngannou has power, basic fundamentals and composure'. But beyond this, lets get real right now 'Ngannou skill for skill, is not the best boxer Joshua has ever fought'.

Anthony Joshua is not Tyson Fury 'Joshua is not going to over estimate himself, coming into any fight. Anthony Joshua has near psychopathic work ethic, from the very moment Joshua was aware? That he was fighting Francis Ngnanou 'Joshua has most likely been obsessing over every possibly, strategy, tactic that he can detect and use to beat Francis Ngannou'.

Anthony Joshua became a World Championship Medalist, and a Olympic Champion in a unprecedented time frame 'Joshua in the professional boxing ranks, by his 19th professional fight was the WBA, WBF AND IBO World Heavyweight Champion'.

There is serious jeopardy in this fight for Francis Ngannou 'This fight is not 10 round fight. It is a 12 round fight'.

In my opinion, if Ngannou struggles to decked, pressure or hurt Joshua 'Then he is getting out boxed. And when you are getting out boxed by Joshua, who hits with considerably more punching power than Fury? It is not a game of tick, Ngannou will be getting beaten up'.

Francis Ngannnou could potentially suffer the worst beat down of his entire combat career 'That is the seriousness of this fight' etc.

[HeadShots]

No it isn't, go take a physics class.

I am a kinesiologist and prosthetist. The physics of the human body is my money. You can double down and throw at me all the goofy sports "science" and stats you've learned over the years but I'm coming from actual medical science not some goofy dojo or whatever that measures a kinetic reading using an electronic devices that can only actually measure acceleration. ... ... ... for absolutely no reason.

Maybe I'm projecting but **** it, I am going to head off the "i've seen a punch machine" sort of responses anyway.


Why would you convert a physical action into an electric unit than use acceleration to get an estimate on the power, that is work over time, when, in fact, all you need is a weight, a ruler, a stop watch, and an action for the exact kinetic force sum in a kinetic unit? Promotional bull**** like kids in their gi chopping bricks.

you are an idiot