Comments Thread For: John Ryder, Former Two-Time Interim Titlist, Officially Retires At Age 35

[deathofaclown]

Good luck to him

Glad he made some good paydays in the end of his career.

i remember he was working for a security company at some fights only a few years ago, so I'm glad he got well paid in the last few years.

Good fighter was John, not quite good enough to win at real world level, but there's no shame in that. He should've still be able to call himself a world champion with honest judges in the Smith fight. Fine margins.

Reminds me a bit of Martin Murray who was on the wrong end of a couple of dodgy decisions like the one against Martinez and he never got to call himself a world champion when with fair judges he could have a pretty good resume and been world champion.

[Boro]

Let's end this. I'm not a floyd fan for some of the same reasons I don't like canelo. If you count charlo as a fight you're really a fan. Since 2016 he has fought 6 different brits, 1 mexican, 2 Russian, 1 turk and one American two divisions down and two years on the shelves, the one you called a fight. Oh man, you're not good a math.

what are you talking about clown his fights in descending order

1. Charlo (American)
2. Ryder (Brit)
3. GGG (Central Asia/Kazakh)
4. Bivol (Russia)
5. Plant (American)
6. BJS (Brit)
7. Yildirim (West Asia/Turkey)
8. Smith (Brit)
9. Kovalev (Russian)
10. DJ (American)

Oh so you decide decide what counts as fight now what a disgrace, apparently i'm better at maths then you. you can't even count to 10 don't they teach you that in preschool...

I love how you specifically choose the date he fought Khan for a very specific reason to try and prove your point as it makes it seem like he skews more towards fighting Brits.

And specifically not when he fought Hatton because your argument wouldn't hold any weight.

1. Rocky Fielding (Brit)
2. Gennady Golovkin 2x (Kazakh)
3. Julio César Chávez Jr (Mexican)
4. Liam Smith (Brit)
5. Amir Khan (Brit)
6. Miguel Cotto (PR)
7. James Kirkland (American)
8. Erislandy Lara (Cuban)
9. Alfredo Angulo (Mexican)
10. Floyd Mayweather (American)
11. Austin Trout (American)
12. Josesito López (Mexican)
13. Shane Mosley (American)
14. Kermit Cintrón (PR)
15. Alfonso Gómez (Mexican)
16. Ryan Rhodes (Brit)
17. Matthew Hatton (Brit)

It's been a decent spread since his first Brit - 8 Brits, 7 Americans, 4 Mexicans, 2 Russians, 2 Puerto Ricans, 1 Kazakh 3x, 1 Cuban, 1 Turk.

[garfios]

what are you talking about clown his fights in descending order

1. Charlo (American)
2. Ryder (Brit)
3. GGG (Central Asia/Kazakh)
4. Bivol (Russia)
5. Plant (American)
6. BJS (Brit)
7. Yildirim (West Asia/Turkey)
8. Smith (Brit)
9. Kovalev (Russian)
10. DJ (American)

Oh so you decide decide what counts as fight now what a disgrace, apparently i'm better at maths then you. you can't even count to 10 don't they teach you that in preschool...

I love how you specifically choose the date he fought Khan for a very specific reason to try and prove your point as it makes it seem like he skews more towards fighting Brits.

And specifically not when he fought Hatton because your argument wouldn't hold any weight.

1. Rocky Fielding (Brit)
2. Gennady Golovkin 2x (Kazakh)
3. Julio César Chávez Jr (Mexican)
4. Liam Smith (Brit)
5. Amir Khan (Brit)
6. Miguel Cotto (PR)
7. James Kirkland (American)
8. Erislandy Lara (Cuban)
9. Alfredo Angulo (Mexican)
10. Floyd Mayweather (American)
11. Austin Trout (American)
12. Josesito López (Mexican)
13. Shane Mosley (American)
14. Kermit Cintrón (PR)
15. Alfonso Gómez (Mexican)
16. Ryan Rhodes (Brit)
17. Matthew Hatton (Brit)

Are you sure you're not a ginger's fan? I'm pretty sure I researched from 2016 to date, was the first page it came into view on my phone, you went deeper I have forgot about Hatton, now that you mentioned. And yes he fights a lot of brits for a Mexican, why's that? I got ggg wrong, you're right he's from Kazakhstan, force of habit, I did point it out he wasn't a Brit so I didn't counted him as one of the tour. So am I right or wrong? Did he fights too many UK citizens or not? Have he ever fought in England? Is he really ducking benavidez? Do you really give him credit for fighting charlo? Be honest please.

[Boro]

Are you sure you're not a ginger's fan? I'm pretty sure I researched from 2016 to date, was the first page it came into view on my phone, you went deeper I have forgot about Hatton, now that you mentioned. And yes he fights a lot of brits for a Mexican, why's that? I got ggg wrong, you're right he's from Kazakhstan, force of habit, I did point it out he wasn't a Brit so I didn't counted him as one of the tour. So am I right or wrong? Did he fights too many UK citizens or not? Have he ever fought in England? Is he really ducking benavidez? Do you really give him credit for fighting charlo? Be honest please.

And as I said you specifically choose 2016 because it's 40% british fighters vs Hatton onwards which is an extremely close 25.9% American vs 29.6% British fighters.

Has he fought too many brits? not really most of them were champions or secondary belt 5/8 aka 62.5%.

Smith (ring and WBA), BJS (WBO), L Smith (WBO), Hatton (WBC, questionable catchweight fight for a belt at 54) Fielding (secondary title, new division) Rhodes (pointless I think?! don't know if he was mando) Ryder (mando) Khan (cash grab but another disgraceful belt on the line in a catchweight fight).

And lets not pretend anything at 68 or higher is full or Americans or Mexicans particularly at the top level...

Don't know what bearing him fighting in England has on him fighting English fighters if they're the champions or mandatories then that's who he fights seemingly if they're coming off mediocre performances.

Don't see why he would duck Benavidez we all knew it was likely to be the Charlos and Spence if he signed with PBC.

Now that might of changed since Spence looked pathetic in last fight but we'll see, I doubt it Canelo is in the driving seat...

Why would I give him credit for Charlo only reason I brought him up is because of your assertion, I don't like the way Canelo moves but it's his prerogative, he'll be the one wondering if he was ever truly great or not, not me...

[garfios]

Has he fought too many brits? no most of them were champions or for some useless bauble like a secondary belt

Smith (ring and WBA), BJS (WBO), L Smith (WBO), Hatton (WBC, questionable catchweight fight for a belt at 54) Fielding (secondary title, new division) Rhodes (pointless I think?! don't know if he was mando) Ryder (mando) Khan (cash grab but another disgraceful belt on the line in a catchweight fight).

And lets not pretend anything at 68 or higher is full or Americans or Mexicans particularly at the top level...

Don't know what bearing him fighting in England has on him fighting English fighters if they're the champions or mandatories then that's who he fights seemingly if they're coming off mediocre performances.

Don't see why he would duck Benavidez we all knew it was likely to be the Charlos and Spence if he signed with PBC.

Now that might of changed since Spence looked pathetic in last fight but we'll see, I doubt it Canelo is in the driving seat...

Why would I give him credit for Charlo only reason I brought him up is because of your assertion, I don't like the way Canelo moves but it's his prerogative, he'll be the one wondering if he was ever truly great or not, not me...

They all won their vacant belts against a tier lower than a domestic level boxer. Please, I think ginger is good fighter, not what their fans think he is, also, he has avoided threats and been protected all his career, he ain't nothing like Leonard, JCC, Morales, Barrera, Puas, Duran, Hagler nor Hearns, just to mention a few. Stop with this nonsense because every time he has face a real boxer, he's been given a gift or lost. Please understand that I'd not be convinced otherwise. He's ducking him, when he was testing the water at 168lbs the first thing he said was "no voy a pelear con mexicanos", once the idiot lost his belt, I'm talking about benavidez, he decided to unify.

[Boro]

They all won their vacant belts against a tier lower than a domestic level boxer. Please, I think ginger is good fighter, not what their fans think he is, also, he has avoided threats and been protected all his career, he ain't nothing like Leonard, JCC, Morales, Barrera, Puas, Duran, Hagler nor Hearns, just to mention a few. Stop with this nonsense because every time he has face a real boxer, he's been given a gift or lost. Please understand that I'd not be convinced otherwise. He's ducking him, when he was testing the water at 168lbs the first thing he said was "no voy a pelear con mexicanos", once the idiot lost his belt, I'm talking about benavidez, he decided to unify.

Exactly what benavidez done, less than domestic level trash like > Gavrill for the vacant title and then later a shot to shít dirrell after his miserable performance against Yildirim...

I didn't compare Cinnamon to any of those guys what are you bleating on about.

And I'm not trying to convince you of anything, you just need to be consistent with both your praise and criticism of fighters regardless of it being Canelo or some John Doe...

You can say that Canelo didn't want to unify with Benavidez but Benavidez didn't want to unify with Smith either.

Dirrell ducked smith and the WBC made Benavidez vs Dirrell as soon as Callum decide to enter the WBSS only for Dirrell to pull out claiming injury and Gavrill vs Benavidez immediately gets made.

And the WBC give Callum the diamond belt to assuage any concerns Callum might have.

Because he was #1 challenger and had been for a long time claiming "the winner of the WBSS tournament will become mandatory challenger for the winner of Benavidez-Gavril" guess what it never happened...

Benavidez has been waiting to cash out with Canelo and that's it, he won't test himself either but you won't acknowledge that for w/e reason...

[garfios]

Exactly what benavidez done, less than domestic level trash like > Gavrill for the vacant title and then later a shot to shít dirrell after his miserable performance against Yildirim...

I didn't compare Cinnamon to any of those guys what are you bleating on about.

And I'm not trying to convince you of anything, you just need to be consistent with both your praise and criticism of fighters regardless of it being Canelo or some John Doe...

You can say that Canelo didn't want to unify with Benavidez but Benavidez didn't want to unify with Smith either.

Dirrell ducked smith and the WBC made Benavidez vs Dirrell as soon as Callum decide to enter the WBSS only for Dirrell to pull out claiming injury and Gavrill vs Benavidez immediately gets made.

And the WBC give Callum the diamond belt to assuage any concerns Callum might have.

Because he was #1 challenger and had been for a long time claiming "the winner of the WBSS tournament will become mandatory challenger for the winner of Benavidez-Gavril" guess what it never happened...

Benavidez has been waiting to cash out with Canelo and that's it, he won't test himself either but you won't acknowledge that for w/e reason...

Do you call that a cash-out? A guy who won a belt when he was 20yo. By the way, who's holding the belts hostage? And yes you have been trying to convince me that the british canelo's has faced are the cream of the crop, that canelo has won the right to pick and choose, even though he needs to defend the belts, you accused me of being disingenuous because you never mention canelo, when I posted your quote mentioning ginger, you didn't acknowledge the fact that you started the ginger home tribute and just kept posting nonsense, calling me names, suggesting I didn't know how to read, been intentionally dishonest, when in fact you were the liar, maybe not intentionally, but you were the one mentioning canelo. Here we are high-******* a ryder's thread, please just stop.

[Boro]

Do you call that a cash-out? A guy who won a belt when he was 20yo. By the way, who's holding the belts hostage? And yes you have been trying to convince me that the british canelo's has faced are the cream of the crop, that canelo has won the right to pick and choose, even though he needs to defend the belts, you accused me of being disingenuous because you never mention canelo, when I posted your quote mentioning ginger, you didn't acknowledge the fact that you started the ginger home tribute and just kept posting nonsense, calling me names, suggesting I didn't know how to read, been intentionally dishonest, when in fact you were the liar, maybe not intentionally, but you were the one mentioning canelo. Here we are high-******* a ryder's thread, please just stop.

Do I call a guy who's won a vacant belt (just like BJS or Smith (who didn't win a vacant belt) who you claimed won their belts off "less than domestic level") is holding belts hostage? no why would I...

But I am saying he's one in the same, as he won his belt of "less than domestic level" but like I said you aren't consistent with your criticism or praise because you're either racist, xenophobic or quite frankly just biassed towards Benavidez and against British people seemingly.

And of course I think Benavidez is waiting to cash out with Canelo, his whole career is based on calling him out and trying to chase him down and doing nothing worthwhile in the meantime like most people in and around the divisions Canelo have been in...

No one has tried to convince you the British fighters are the cream of the crop you clown, if you draw that conclusion that's your own problem but you've already proven your immense bias throughout this conversation.

As well as made ****** claims e.g. Smith won a vacant belt, which of course isn't true he beat the guy with the best resume in the division at the time Groves for the belt, who had fought Degale,Froch,Murray (who got jobbed against Strum and Martinez) and Badou jack among others.

Look back to when you first quoted me and how I mentioned you're intentionally ignoring imperative words and how you're being disingenuous.

Then further down the line you decide to strip context from what's being said , choose dates specifically as they align with your narrative and misconstrue information to fit said narrative and all of this has been a consistent theme throughout the conversation.

P.S. None of what i've posted is "nonsense" everything i've said relating to all of the fighters is verifiable, if anyone has posted "nonsense" it's been you.

[garfios]

Do I call a guy who's won a vacant belt (just like BJS or Smith (who didn't win a vacant belt) who you claimed won their belts off "less than domestic level") is holding belts hostage? no why would I...

But I am saying he's one in the same, as he won his belt of "less than domestic level" but like I said you aren't consistent with your criticism or praise because you're either racist, xenophobic or quite frankly just biassed towards Benavidez and against British people seemingly.

And of course I think Benavidez is waiting to cash out with Canelo, his whole career is based on calling him out and trying to chase him down and doing nothing worthwhile in the meantime like most people in and around the divisions Canelo have been in...

No one has tried to convince you the British fighters are the cream of the crop you clown, if you draw that conclusion that's your own problem but you've already proven your immense bias throughout this conversation.

As well as made ****** claims e.g. Smith won a vacant belt, which of course isn't true he beat the guy with the best resume in the division at the time Groves for the belt, who had fought Degale,Froch,Murray (who got jobbed against Strum and Martinez) and Badou jack among others.

Look back to when you first quoted me and how I mentioned you're intentionally ignoring imperative words and how you're being disingenuous.

Then further down the line you decide to strip context from what's being said , choose dates specifically as they align with your narrative and misconstrue information to fit said narrative and all of this has been a consistent theme throughout the conversation.

P.S. None of what i've posted is "nonsense" everything i've said relating to all of the fighters is verifiable, if anyone has posted "nonsense" it's been you.

Again with the name calling, don't tell me you're a twelve year old kid. Did you mention canelo or not?
Do you consider saunders, smith, ryder, Mathew, rhodes, liam smith, fielding and khan (he was a pretty good boxer at 135/140) elite fighters?
Do you think canelo would have rush to unify the 168lbs division if benavidez, Morell jr and let's say Andre Ward were the belt holders at the time he arrived to the division? Don't forget that he did said he was not fighting no more mexicans when benavidez was the champ. Only after he lost the belt, benavidez, canelo announced he was going to unify. Don't be a child, name calling behind a screen an a keyboard don't do nothing. By the way my wife is from Great Britain.

[Boro]

Again with the name calling, don't tell me you're a twelve year old kid. Did you mention canelo or not?
Do you consider saunders, smith, ryder, Mathew, rhodes, liam smith, fielding and khan (he was a pretty good boxer at 135/140) elite fighters?
Do you think canelo would have rush to unify the 168lbs division if benavidez, Morell jr and let's say Andre Ward were the belt holders at the time he arrived to the division? Don't forget that he did said he was not fighting no more mexicans when benavidez was the champ. Only after he lost the belt, benavidez, canelo announced he was going to unify. Don't be a child, name calling behind a screen an a keyboard don't do nothing. By the way my wife is from Great Britain.

Of course I mentioned Canelo, I never once said I didn't clearly this is another one of you warped perception issues...

Again another perception issue, no one mentioned them being elite but like I said previously like 60% of them where champions or for belts of some kind.

So really IDGAF if they're what you or I or anyone else consider elite, the majority have been belt holders and that's all there is to it...

I don't particularly care if he'd decide to move up or not based on hypotheticals, we're where we are based on what is, not hypotheticals that you want to spin because you dislike British fighters and Canelo...

Benavidez isn't even a real mexican, so I don't know why you even think that holds any weight, "lost" the belt!? you mean stripped both times because of his lack of professionalism and drug taking...

If you think calling someone who's acting like a clown/idiot, a clown/idiot is childish then you might want to reevaluate your views on what makes people "childish".

Or perhaps consider growing a thicker skin, boy.

And i'd call you a clown/idiot to your face if we were having this very same conversation because of your lack of even handedness when it comes to critique, it's idiotic/clown like...

I'm not one of them ones who say shít on the internet I wouldn't say in real life...

P.S And btw saying your wife is from Britain is equivalent to saying I have a black friend, it means fúck all...