Comments Thread For: John Ryder, Former Two-Time Interim Titlist, Officially Retires At Age 35

[Boro]

Actually this is what you wrote, "The same could be said of all big names, barring Ali" so I threw just a couple of names. And disingenuous is telling the world that canelo doesn't need to prove anything, when in fact he hasn't prove nothing. I don't need you to find any names because because they're none. Be safe

The audacity to try and turn my use of disingenuous on me, when you don't fully read my quote and are stripping it of context.

And also mentioning Canelo having nothing to prove which I never even mentioned at all.

Both of the things equate to the epitome of disingenuous behaviour...

And I knew you were a bad faith actor when it came to Canelo that's why I didn't engage in your CV nonsense.

[garfios]

The audacity to try and turn my use of disingenuous on me, when you don't fully read my quote and are stripping it of context.

And also mentioning Canelo having nothing to prove which I never even mentioned at all.

Both of the things equate to the epitome of disingenuous behaviour...

And I knew you were a bad faith actor when it came to Canelo that's why I didn't engage in your CV nonsense.

Who's quote is this?

"And lets not pretend Canelo hasn't done enough in his career to basically pick and choose who he wants."

[Boro]

Who's quote is this?

"And lets not pretend Canelo hasn't done enough in his career to basically pick and choose who he wants."

He's 23 world title fights deep and fought and beat multiple HoF, why doesn't he have the right to pick and choose at this point!?

And "basically" was doing a lot of heavy lifting in that quote...

Either you lack basic reading comprehension or you're being intellectually dishonest intentionally, I don't know which one is worse but either way like I said you're a bad faith actor.

[garfios]

He's 23 world title fights deep and fought and beat multiple HoF, why doesn't he have the right to pick and choose at this point!?

And "basically" was doing a lot of heavy lifting in that quote...

Either you lack basic reading comprehension or you're being intellectually dishonest intentionally, I don't know which one is worse but either way like I said you're a bad faith actor.

Because he hasn't beat a real world class fighter, because if you are the "face of boxing" you need to fight first tier and world class fighters, not domestic level boxers that we all know he's going to route them, nor bring a guy two divisions down that hasn't fought in two years and was there for the paycheck, don't take me wrong, if was no one else to fight him I'd not care, but benavidez is the most qualified guy in his own division, he doesn't need to look south nor north to find a worthy opponent, he's right there.

[Boro]

Because he hasn't beat a real world class fighter, because if you are the "face of boxing" you need to fight first tier and world class fighters, not domestic level boxers that we all know he's going to route them, nor bring a guy two divisions down that hasn't fought in two years and was there for the paycheck, don't take me wrong, if was no one else to fight him I'd not care, but benavidez is the most qualified guy in his own division, he doesn't need to look south nor north to find a worthy opponent, he's right there.

That's your opinion regarding world class fighters...

What's Benavidez done that makes him more worthy or "world class" then the other guys he's fought?

Beat Canelos leftovers in a worse fashion and dragged Andrade up in weight the very thing you're criticizing Canelo for!?

Or because he beat Gavrill (who?!) twice in a row for a belt? or a shot to shít Dirrell? (the who is sarcasm of course.)

[garfios]

That's your opinion regarding world class fighters...

What's Benavidez done that makes him more worthy or "world class" then the other guys he's fought?

Beat Canelos leftovers in a worse fashion and dragged Andrade up in weight the very thing you're criticizing Canelo for!?

Or because he beat Gavrill (who?!) twice in a row for a belt? or a shot to shít Dirrell? (the who is sarcasm of course.)

No, he hasn't done $h1t, yet, but he's the most qualified boxer in canelo's division and is considered a world class fighter, he just need another world class fighter to prove it. Who did ryder fought that he was worthy of a canelo's paycheck? What about yildrim? I do understand saunders and smith, even thought they're not world beaters, they were holding a belt and they're not mexicans. Did you know ryder ran away from Morell jr after seeing him demolishing caceres? two years ago.

[Boro]

No, he hasn't done $h1t, yet, but he's the most qualified boxer in canelo's division and is considered a world class fighter, he just need another world class fighter to prove it. Who did ryder fought that he was worthy of a canelo's paycheck? What about yildrim? I do understand saunders and smith, even thought they're not world beaters, they were holding a belt and they're not mexicans. Did you know ryder ran away from Morell jr after seeing him demolishing caceres? two years ago.

Well he obviously fought Danny jacobs, BJS, Smith who he arguably beat and as I mentioned previously there is form of fighters giving other fighters who've been stiffed shots á la Klitschko vs Chisora...

Yildirim is a consequence of Benavidez failing to holding on his title and the mess of a fight/result that somehow was a split TD/"win" for Dirrell...

Ryder ran from Morrell 2 years ago into what!? more established fighters like Jacobs and Zach Parker who was the very mandatory that got him the shot at Canelo...

Ryder and Benavidez are equally as proven as one another that is to say they aren't.

They fought some former world title holders and beat them and in Ryders case he's lost to some but let's not pretend they're worlds apart in their "qualifications" to fight Canelo, that's just your subjective opinion and not the objective truth.

[garfios]

Well he obviously fought Danny jacobs, BJS, Smith who he arguably beat and as I mentioned previously there is form of fighters giving other fighters who've been stiffed shots á la Klitschko vs Chisora...

Yildirim is a consequence of Benavidez failing to holding on his title and the mess of a fight/result that somehow was a split TD/"win" for Dirrell...

Ryder ran from Morrell 2 years ago into what!? more established fighters like Jacobs and Zach Parker who was the very mandatory that got him the shot at Canelo...

Ryder and Benavidez are equally as proven as one another that is to say they aren't.

They fought some former world title holders and beat them and in Ryders case he's lost to some but let's not pretend they're worlds apart in their "qualifications" to fight Canelo, that's just your subjective opinion and not the objective truth.

Jacob's? Not a bad fighter, BJ and smith? Not world beaters, and if you're as smart as you think you are, you know ryder didn't run because he was going to fight jacobs and please parker is another domestic level fighter. He ran because his promotor told him to run, when the Cuban fought caceres, the winner was supposed to fight ryder for a mandatory shot at ginger, you seem to know about UK fighters, so I'm pretty sure you know what was coming next, after the fight hearn took his charge and went back home on the first flight with ryder, he told the media, and I don't believe he attended the after fight press conference, that ryder was moving up to challenge bivol, he was more comfortable at that weight, which we all know was a lie, he knew he was going to get the biggest beating of his life. I don't blame him, at the end he got some money along with a couple of beatings, we all knew that was going to happens anyway, but he got paid and God bless him. And yes, they're worlds apart and definitely benavidez would kick every ryder and canelo's opponents, by the eye test which none of the canelo's opponents has ever pass. If canelo grows some balls, the odds makers will have their hands full calculating the odds for benavidez and Morell jr. In this era it is more of avoiding risk, while maximizing your earnings, qualifications mean nothing and their fans rate them for how many PPV and how much they make, and not who they are facing. A few years back, if canelo was not facing and winning, Julian Jackson, Tommy Hearns, Marvin Hagler, Gerald McClellan, Nigle Benn, Eubank, Collins etc..the least one of them, he would have been nothing. We're only asking him to face one fighter that we don't know the results before hand.

[Boro]

Jacob's? Not a bad fighter, BJ and smith? Not world beaters, and if you're as smart as you think you are, you know ryder didn't run because he was going to fight jacobs and please parker is another domestic level fighter. He ran because his promotor told him to run, when the Cuban fought caceres, the winner was supposed to fight ryder for a mandatory shot at ginger, you seem to know about UK fighters, so I'm pretty sure you know what was coming next, after the fight hearn took his charge and went back home on the first flight with ryder, he told the media, and I don't believe he attended the after fight press conference, that ryder was moving up to challenge bivol, he was more comfortable at that weight, which we all know was a lie, he knew he was going to get the biggest beating of his life. I don't blame him, at the end he got some money along with a couple of beatings, we all knew that was going to happens anyway, but he got paid and God bless him. And yes, they're worlds apart and definitely benavidez would kick every ryder and canelo's opponents, by the eye test which none of the canelo's opponents has ever pass. If canelo grows some balls, the odds makers will have their hands full calculating the odds for benavidez and Morell jr. In this era it is more of avoiding risk, while maximizing your earnings, qualifications mean nothing and their fans rate them for how many PPV and how much they make, and not who they are facing. A few years back, if canelo was not facing and winning, Julian Jackson, Tommy Hearns, Marvin Hagler, Gerald McClellan, Nigle Benn, Eubank, Collins etc..the least one of them, he would have been nothing. We're only asking him to face one fighter that we don't know the results before hand.

What is your point about DJ,BJS or Smith being world beaters or not is your opinion.

They were all world champions and Parker was the mandatory so despite you saying he's domestic level, the sanctioning body(ies) thought otherwise.

What are you mentioning Ryder and Bivol for it never happened and the only fight he had at LHW or a catchweight type fight was some random Polish stiff after almost a year out then his next fight was Jacobs...

It could argued the same of Benavidez as well, his best win is Plant a former champion who's done what exactly? got trounced by Canelo or beat Uzcategui(who!?) for his belt... and then the rest of his (Benavidez) CV leaves a lot to be desired because truth be known Andrade is his next best win and he's never beat even a former world champion...

As for the fight and claiming to not know the outcome, don't be naive you know as well as everyone else Benavidez power is overrated, his offense is his defence and he fights at Canelos optimal range, the odds are extremely like he drops a wide UD or gets stopped mid-late...

It's just your extreme dislike/hate of Canelo that's clouding your judgement.

P.S. Don't know why you mentioned I seem to know a lot about "UK" fighters, I've mentioned more about Canelo, Ali and Benavidez in this thread then any UK fighter...

[garfios]

What is your point about DJ,BJS or Smith being world beaters or not is your opinion.

They were all world champions and Parker was the mandatory so despite you saying he's domestic level, the sanctioning body(ies) thought otherwise.

What are you mentioning Ryder and Bivol for it never happened and the only fight he had at LHW or a catchweight type fight was some random Polish stiff after almost a year out then his next fight was Jacobs...

It could argued the same of Benavidez as well, his best win is Plant a former champion who's done what exactly? got trounced by Canelo or beat Uzcategui(who!?) for his belt... and then the rest of his (Benavidez) CV leaves a lot to be desired because truth be known Andrade is his next best win and he's never beat even a former world champion...

As for the fight and claiming to not know the outcome, don't be naive you know as well as everyone else Benavidez power is overrated, his offense is his defence and he fights at Canelos optimal range, the odds are extremely like he drops a wide UD or gets stopped mid-late...

It's just your extreme dislike/hate of Canelo that's clouding your judgement.

P.S. Don't know why you mentioned I seem to know a lot about "UK" fighters, I've mentioned more about Canelo, Ali and Benavidez in this thread then any UK fighter...

My point about bj and smith, what world class fighters they have beat? None, Not an opinion it's a fact.
They won their belts in a mismatched vacant fight, not from a reigning world champ, this are all facts.
I'll give you sanctioning bodies, you know who's the longest waiting regular champ and mandatory for canelo's WBA belt? Yes, Morell jr, almost three years, if ryder has fought the Cuban and won, he probably would had fought ginger three years ago.
You didn't understand or didn't finish reading when I wrote about ryder and bivol, I said they were lying, that was the excuse talking about ryder moving up in weight, they took one look at DMJ, and that's all she wrote.
Yes, you can say the same about benavidez, but one thing for sure that you won't say is that canelo is going to wipe the floor with him, am I right? Of course you picking canelo to win, the problem is that canelo knows better and he's not picking benavidez. Now I know why you think so highly of the British, still they're not elite and you can go through their resumes and find nobody elite. What else? Oh, canelo is a fraud and I don't dislike him as a person, it means nothing to me, however I do dislike his antics and the way he's been protected. I'm an old boxing fan that has seen real fighters from the 60', 70', 80', 90's and so on. He's a good fighter but not what their fans and media made him too be.