Beterbiev is on another level not seen often throughout history.

[ShoulderRoll]

Right but my (******) position isn't people who pass VADA's tests are "likely clean" is it, its yours. So what I say is irrelevant, I'm talking about what you say.

So you're saying there that Beterbiev isn't likely clean? Like we have established you deem Canelo and Conor Benn?

How do you figure that when he's passed VADA's programs 10 fights in a row?

Conor Benn isn’t comparable to Canelo until he actually has a track record of passing VADA tests for several years. With no weird measurements popping up in his results.

[IronDanHamza]

Conor Benn isn’t comparable to Canelo until he actually has a track record of passing VADA tests for several years. With no weird measurements popping up in his results.

You said the other day that Conor Benn is likely clean as "VADA is good enough for you". Now he's not likely clean? Which one is it?

So hold on, "weird measurements" disqualify you from being "likely clean"? Passing 10 VADA programs isn't enough?

But Canelo failing multiple drug tests for PED's but passing 11 VADA programs is enough?

That's what you're saying?

[Oracle01]

Beterbiev is an active ATG, would pose massive problems to any legendary fighter at 175, including Roy Jones.

This is a classic case of recency bias. Well done. His best win was over a guy with 17 pro fights yet now he's an ATG. Cool. I guess you forgot he went life and death with Yarde 2 fights ago.

[MulaKO]

This is a classic case of recency bias. Well done. His best win was over a guy with 17 pro fights yet now he's an ATG. Cool. I guess you forgot he went life and death with Yarde 2 fights ago.

And I was under the impression that going life and death consisted of going 12 rounds not getting knocked the fugh out

[BodyBagz]

Which HOFer/ATG resume can he match his with ?!?!?
JFC, the overreactions

[Roadblock]

This is a classic case of recency bias. Well done. His best win was over a guy with 17 pro fights yet now he's an ATG. Cool. I guess you forgot he went life and death with Yarde 2 fights ago.

Every ATG goes life and death with guys not regarded on their level that's boxing, name any ATG you like and I will point out a struggle with what was considered and ordinary guy, and Yarde is a talented fighter. Fans hang of this stuff all the time because no fighter is invincible at all times, the overall body of work is what matters.

[ShoulderRoll]

You said the other day that Conor Benn is likely clean as "VADA is good enough for you". Now he's not likely clean? Which one is it?

So hold on, "weird measurements" disqualify you from being "likely clean"? Passing 10 VADA programs isn't enough?

But Canelo failing multiple drug tests for PED's but passing 11 VADA programs is enough?

That's what you're saying?

I’ve been quite clear. Passing multiple VADA tests for years with no weird stuff coming up means a guy is likely clean in my book.

Conor Benn has yet to meet that criteria. Beterbiev did… until he had some weird stuff come up on his last test. And now even you think Beterbiev is su****ious.

[Roadblock]

I’ve been quite clear. Passing multiple VADA tests for years with no weird stuff coming up means a guy is likely clean in my book.

Conor Benn has yet to meet that criteria. Beterbiev did… until he had some weird stuff come up on his last test. And now even you think Beterbiev is su****ious.

In a world over run with paranoid people many of the most normal things is su****ious, a case of a little information is a dangerous thing.

[IronDanHamza]

I’ve been quite clear. Passing multiple VADA tests for years with no weird stuff coming up means a guy is likely clean in my book.

Conor Benn has yet to meet that criteria. Beterbiev did… until he had some weird stuff come up on his last test. And now even you think Beterbiev is su****ious.

You've actually been the opposite of clear and have refused to clarify multiple times.

Let's see if we can get some clarification finally;

Are you saying that Beterbiev was likely clean from 2016-2023 and is only not likely clean now? Or does it backtrack to the rest of his career now these findings have arose?

And by "years", how many years? Years as in the literal plural term of years so 2 years? When does "su****ion" expire? 1 year? 2? 5? Furthermore why does it even expire?

How far does "weird findings" stretch? Because you have deemed Mayweather "clean" despite never doing VADA, as well as showing suscpiscous behaviour. You also deem Ortiz "likely clean" on the basis his condition that has a strong link to PED use "doesn't neccesarily mean it's due to PED use" but that exact same thing can also be said for Beterbeiv's atypical finding.

So you need to be a lot more clear on what is and isn't likely clean.

Does passing a USADA program for years deem you clean? I.e Like Floyd did who you deem clean.

[MulaKO]

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Every ATG goes life and death with guys not regarded on their level that's boxing, name any ATG you like and I will point out a struggle with what was considered and ordinary guy, and Yarde is a talented fighter. Fans hang of this stuff all the time because no fighter is invincible at all times, the overall body of work is what matters.[/o

You mean like when Benny went life or death with Ronald Gavril
Didn’t they also rob him ?