Beterbiev is on another level not seen often throughout history.

[IronDanHamza]

Beterbiev can’t be called a cheat because he didn’t test positive.

But he can be sad to be su****ious because of the atypically high levels of HGH and testosterone that VADA found. IronDan himself has said he finds it su****ious, so…

But VADA said it's not su****ious and in fact common.

Doesn't that mean you don't find it su****ious?

Unless you're saying VADA are corrupt?

Why are openly avoiding these questions?

[IronDanHamza]

Hey ShoulderRoll Why are you in other threads but won't you answer simple questions?

Aren't you the guy who said not answering questions means you take the L? What do you look like.

Let's try again shall we;

So you'd agree that Floyd left America frequently when active also then?

Do you have an example of Ngannou leaving America for a training camp? I don't recall a single time that happened

Floyd doesn't and has never done USADA 365 testing (Unlike Ngannou who did it over over a decade)

Is Floyd not likely clean, since he travels and doesn't do 365 USADA testing? We need to get these things clarified for you to justify your stances.

You deem Floyd not su****ious because USADA deemed it so but not the case when VADA deem beterbeiv not su****ious and in fact a common occurrence.

Why do you take USADA's word as authority and not VADA? I thought you said VADA were better than USADA?

You can't have both. Unless you're saying VADA are corrupt? Why won't you answer that?


Why are you avoiding these questions?

Will you answer these questions? Or take your L?

[CasperUK]

Beterbiev all clear

He passed all VADA tests - Bivol fight is on!

https://twitter.com/Vada_Testing/sta...al-findings%2F

[IronDanHamza]

Beterbiev all clear

He passed all VADA tests - Bivol fight is on!

https://twitter.com/Vada_Testing/sta...al-findings%2F

Interesting. So that's 10 VADA programs he's passed.

ShoulderRoll

That would make him likely clean and not su****ious right?

Especially since VADA have come out publicly and said it's not su****ious and in fact common. And we know that when the testing companies say that it's gospel.

Are you willing to be a man and retract your statement and make a public apology?

[GhostofDempsey]

I agree with OP that he would be a long day for any ATG LHW. Not an easy fight for anyone. Could he beat the likes of Tunney, Conn, Charles, Moore, Foster, Spinks, Jones Jr? I’m not sure. He’s been dropped by lesser fighters and none of his wins measure up to the skill and talent of some of the ATG’s. Gvozdyk was his best win IMO, and I didn’t expect him to win that fight. If he can beat Bivol I think he’s in the conversation.

[lopetego]

Beterbiev's rabbit punching skills are on another level for sure

he's a specialist at punching you behind the ear even if you're coming forward to him, with those looping hooks of his

and because he hits so hard, whenever Beterviev's getting lit like a christmas tree by his opponent, he can turn the tides with one of those dangerous cheap shots.

Beterbiev's defense is pretty leaky and mediocre, but those trusty rabbit punching counter-hooks of his are always there to pull his chestnuts off the fire. The Yarde fight and the Callum Smith fight at some point are very good examples of this

He won't be easy to beat for anyone

[ShoulderRoll]

Interesting. So that's 10 VADA programs he's passed.

ShoulderRoll

That would make him likely clean and not su****ious right?

Especially since VADA have come out publicly and said it's not su****ious and in fact common. And we know that when the testing companies say that it's gospel.

Are you willing to be a man and retract your statement and make a public apology?

No.

I said VADA testing with no weird results. Beterbiev’s abnormally high testosterone and HGH levels were a weird result.

[IronDanHamza]

No.

I said VADA testing with no weird results. Beterbiev’s abnormally high testosterone and HGH levels were a weird result.

But VADA said it's not su****ious and in fact common.

Doesn't that mean you don't find it su****ious?

Unless you're saying VADA are corrupt?

[ShoulderRoll]

But VADA said it's not su****ious and in fact common.

Doesn't that mean you don't find it su****ious?

Unless you're saying VADA are corrupt?

None the less, I said VADA testing with no weird results. And Beterbiev got a weird result.

Enough so that even you said he was suspect, didn’t you?

[IronDanHamza]

None the less, I said VADA testing with no weird results. And Beterbiev got a weird result.

None the less? What do you mean none the less? That expression can't apply here because that would mean you're dismissing your stance when you said if USADA deem something not su****ious that means that the are not su****ious I.e When Floyd was caught with an illegal IV, with is a "weird finding" and you deem him to be clean because USADA said so.

Yet VADA, in your words the better testing company, said Beterbiev's case is not only not su****ious but in fact common.

That has to mean by your own logic that don't find it su****ious?

Unless you're saying VADA are corrupt?

Enough so that even you said he was suspect, didn’t you?

Yes, I do.

But not more su****ious than the likes of Floyd Mayweather for example, who you deem "clean".

Or not more su****ious than Vergil Ortiz for example, who you deem "clean by the benefit of the doubt".

He'd more more su****ious than someone like Franics Ngannou for example, who you deem "assuredly on PEDs" with zero evidence what so ever.

But a lot less su****ious than the likes of Canelo, a guy who's failed multiple drug tests, that you deem "likely clean".

I find all su****ious behavior su****ious, you pick and choose what you deem su****ious and move the goal post whenever it suits you.