Comments Thread For: Hearn: Joshua-Wilder is Dead For Now, It's a Mismatch in My Opinion!

[spyker92]

Wilder is just about top 3 in the USA.

USA Heavyweight Rankings:
1. Andy Ruiz Jr
2. Jared Anderson
3. Deontay Wilder??

He's a domestic-level fighter. He needs to work his way up to the elite level.

[Jab jab boom]

Did he quit against Ruiz, he spat out his gumshield to buy more time, which isn't unheard of but maybe he did quit. However, he immediately rematched Ruiz and won a white wash doesn't that show a level of mental fortitude?

Joshua did d**** himself over the roles likely due to exhaustion; he was being forced to work extremely hard, so I imagine he was fatiguing. I don't know how showing fatigue in a physical activity shows mental fragility.

Absolutely, the meltdown after Usyk was a breakdown but he has overcome it and ranked three straight wins. Mental fragility is being unable to deal with adversity but Joshua has continually showed his ability to overcome adversity. If AJ was mentally fragile, he wouldn't have accomplished what he has because he would of quit at the first obstacle but he hasn't.

What's telling? AJ was beaten by a smaller man even though he had the physical advantages. Holme's was beaten by Spinks. If you understand boxing you would know physical attributes don't determine a fight, Usyk was a better technical boxer with physical advantages himself like footspeed, stamina, and speed but you disregard those physical advantages for Usyk because it wouldn't support the narrative your putting forth.

In my personal opinion, I think you have bias against Joshua, which is clouding you're judgment.

I don’t need to go back over the quitting and weird mental breakdowns as that’s been established despite your desire to justify it all.
As far as your Holmes comparison, the difference was Holmes was past his prime at that point yet still clearly deserved the decision in the rematch. AJ lost comprehensively. I am aware that physical attributes aren’t the only things that would determine a fight result but if you have that level of physical advantages and still lose decisively while in your prime, it proves my original point. Hearn has always overrated AJ.

[unknowledgeablepugilist]

I don’t need to go back over the quitting and weird mental breakdowns as that’s been established despite your desire to justify it all.
As far as your Holmes comparison, the difference was Holmes was past his prime at that point yet still clearly deserved the decision in the rematch. AJ lost comprehensively. I am aware that physical attributes aren’t the only things that would determine a fight result but if you have that level of physical advantages and still lose decisively while in your prime, it proves my original point. Hearn has always overrated AJ.

Yes, but Usyk had physical advantages over Joshua as well yet you're disregarding them ? Because it doesn't fit your narrative.

I'm not trying to justify it just pointing to relevant information because you're accusing him of being mental fragile when by the very definition he isn't. Joshua has allowed his emotions to take control like the vast majority of boxers; it's only a point of contention because you have a bias.

What point does it prove? Losing when you have certain physical advantages. Holme's didn't lose because he was past him prime though that's just a cheap excuse. If Joshua was the first man with a size advantage to lose to a smaller man you're point my have credibility but he's not the first.

Of course, Hearn overrates him that's his cash cow I've never denied it. I disputed the opinions you were passing off as facts.

[Atypicalbrit]

Did he quit against Ruiz, he spat out his gumshield to buy more time, which isn't unheard of but maybe he did quit. However, he immediately rematched Ruiz and won a white wash doesn't that show a level of mental fortitude?

Joshua did d**** himself over the roles likely due to exhaustion; he was being forced to work extremely hard, so I imagine he was fatiguing. I don't know how showing fatigue in a physical activity shows mental fragility.

Absolutely, the meltdown after Usyk was a breakdown but he has overcome it and ranked three straight wins. Mental fragility is being unable to deal with adversity but Joshua has continually showed his ability to overcome adversity. If AJ was mentally fragile, he wouldn't have accomplished what he has because he would of quit at the first obstacle but he hasn't.

What's telling? AJ was beaten by a smaller man even though he had the physical advantages. Holme's was beaten by Spinks. If you understand boxing you would know physical attributes don't determine a fight, Usyk was a better technical boxer with physical advantages himself like footspeed, stamina, and speed but you disregard those physical advantages for Usyk because it wouldn't support the narrative your putting forth.

In my personal opinion, I think you have bias against Joshua, which is clouding you're judgment.

What's funny is guys like this will swear that prime Ali, Foreman, Frazier and Tyson would run through the heavyweight division effortlessly.

Usyk is bigger than all of them.

But losing to Usyk is embarrasing because he's a cruiserweight.

Usyk was absoloutley cutting down to make cruiserweight, he's about the same size as a Povetkin or agit kabayel, it was a conscious choice to unify at cruiserweight, not because he was too small for heavyweight.

[Jab jab boom]

Yes, but Usyk had physical advantages over Joshua as well yet you're disregarding them ? Because it doesn't fit your narrative.

I'm not trying to justify it just pointing to relevant information because you're accusing him of being mental fragile when by the very definition he isn't. Joshua has allowed his emotions to take control like the vast majority of boxers; it's only a point of contention because you have a bias.

What point does it prove? Losing when you have certain physical advantages. Holme's didn't lose because he was past him prime though that's just a cheap excuse. If Joshua was the first man with a size advantage to lose to a smaller man you're point my have credibility but he's not the first.

Of course, Hearn overrates him that's his cash cow I've never denied it. I disputed the opinions you were passing off as facts.

What physical advantages did Usyk have? He was shorter, lighter and less of a reach. His advantage was that he was better and not mentally fragile. Despite your constant denial, even with proof provided.

Holmes was definitely past his prime vs Spinks. Everyone knows that.
I never said he was the only one to lose to a smaller man
, I’m just pointing out that he did and the manner in which he did along with other fights proves my original point in that hearns overrated him. He actually considered him a top 10 he ever on his ridiculous list. So if you agree that Hearn overrates him, not sure what you’re debating other than being in denial about his weak mind.

[ShoulderRoll]

Wilder lost and looked bad while doing it. This fight has definitely lost its luster.

[MrShakeAndBake]

AJ dearoryed Parker, Parker beat Wilder , Eddie is right

[hugh grant]

The stars are never going to align perfectly for these 2 so fight already.
you want them to meet when they are both on 20 unbeaten runs and unbeaten in last 5 years or something?
Just get in ring and try knock the c rap out of each other already. Excuse the language, hope they get out of ring safe to their families after though

[LAchargers373]

Are you forgetting that the guy Wilder lost every single round to, was beaten by Joshua. Back when Joseph Parker was an undefeated champion.

Ya but ruiz knocked AJ out and beat parker. Parker’s also put on his career best performance vs wilder. It’s a joke to think AJ is light years ahead of wilder they’re both exactly the same loo

[The plunger man]

I’m not one of the ones defending Wilder, so I can definitely speak on Hearns delusion regarding AJ. Most Brits were so desperate to claim AJ as the next coming of Lennox Lewis, that they completely whitewashed over the fact that he was a mentally fragile hype job who has quit in the ring and schooled twice by cruiser who otherwise hasn’t looked impressive at hw. Which is 100% accurate and thats the way it is.

usyk is no ordinary cruiserweight and if he beats fury which I think he will then he will go on to be an all time great heavyweight…..as for rating joshua on a level with lewis I’ve never been 1 of those as Lewis was really special but the bottom line is joshua is levels above wilder and the delusion has always been with the yanks ranking wilder as if he was the next sonny Liston or George Foreman when in reality he has faced tomato cans after tomato cans to pad his record……wilder ran away from klitchcko , refused to face povetkin and was happy fight the Washington and spilkas of this world….say what yiu want about joshua but he he fights them all which is something we can’t say about deontay wilder ….as I said if your gonna talk about delusion then you have a prime rib eye right from your own doorstep…wasn’t Holyfield a cruiserweight lol