Comments Thread For: Deontay Wilder: I'll Be Back, And If Not, Then It's Been a Pleasure

[IRONCHINHAGLER]

Such an uninformed statement. Let's examine the facts. Apart from Foreman's impressive victories over Frazier, Norton, and other elites, the rest of the fighters you listed didn't secure knockouts at the highest level. Lewis couldn't knock out Holyfield and beat Vitali on cuts, and defeated an old Tyson. Holyfield, too, scored a knockout against an older Tyson, but who else did he KO among the elite? AJ's knockout of Klitschko came towards the end of Klitchko's career, but can you name other top-level opponents he stopped? And Vitali, which elite fighters did he KO in his era? The truth is, all of them had difficulties in securing knockouts, even within the top 10 WBC level fighters. Man, ground your statements in some statistical evidence before making fantastical claims.

Read the post….was speaking of the cans pre-Ortiz that Wilder built his ko streak on…any of the Hw names i mentioned would have easily ko’d the same c-level opposition. Point is - Wilder’s ko ratio is padded and deceiving!

[megh50]

Read the post….was speaking of the cans pre-Ortiz that Wilder built his ko streak on…any of the Hw names i mentioned would have easily ko’d the same c-level opposition. Point is - Wilder’s ko ratio is padded and deceiving!

They all fought the same C level of opposition as they progressed through their careers. Are you saying their records are padded as well?. Wilder's ability to finish anyone but the highest level is right up there with the likes of Lewis, Klitschko, Tyson, Holyfield, Foreman, Liston. His first round knockouts are also similar to theirs. The guy also has 10 title defenses and was an avoided fighter for years as he begged for the best fights. What we saw yesterday was a 38 year old Wilder who had one 2 min fight in two years, against a good fighter in Parker. Wilder was rusty, old and between styles against an inform active fighter, who was a stylistic nightmare and who sparred the man who beat him arguably three times to prepare.

[daggum]

They all fought the same C level of opposition as they progressed through their careers. Are you saying their records are padded as well?. Wilder's ability to finish anyone but the highest level is right up there with the likes of Lewis, Klitschko, Tyson, Holyfield, Foreman, Liston. His first round knockouts are also similar to theirs. The guy also has 10 title defenses and was an avoided fighter for years as he begged for the best fights. What we saw yesterday was a 38 year old Wilder who had one 2 min fight in two years, against a good fighter in Parker. Wilder was rusty, old and between styles against an inform active fighter, who was a stylistic nightmare and who sparred the man who beat him arguably three times to prepare.

ko ratio against opponents who were in the top 10(ring) at the time of the fight


ali-50% 18 out of 36
louis-75% 24 out of 32
liston-63% 7 out of 11
patterson-35% 7 out of 20
foreman-58% 7 out of 12
holmes-52% 12 out of 23
marciano-80% 8 out of 10
bowe-60% 3 out of 5
lewis-53% 8 out of 15
fury-60% 3 out of 5
vitali klit-75% 6 out of 8
wlad klit-53% 7 out of 13
joshua-50% 5 out of 10
tyson-53% 8 out of 15
holyfield-30% 6 out of 20
wilder-28% 2 out of 7

hes not with any of those guys. only one hes close to in percentage is holyfield who went to decision the last 8 fights against top 10 guys cause he was 40 plus and holyfield still has way more total kos against top 10 figthers.


10 title defenses but he only beat one opponent in the top 10. ever heard the phrase quality over quantity?

he begged for fights in the media...but what happened when the contracts were in front of him? 100 million for the fight he begged for? what more can you ask for oh wait he turned it down. he also blatantly ducked whyte and a huge payday with help from the wbc to get him more pbc bums. they just skipped right over him to install a pbc bum as mandatory. i dont know one fighter that he actually tried to fight that was good that turned him down. can you give me details of any contracts he offered to them? it seems to me he wanted to portray the "ill take on all challengers" tough guy persona but it was just a persona. performance art if you will.

[Lance98]

He keeps talking about having made investments and that he could retire anytime showed me that his drive, killer instinct and passion for the sports is not there anymore. He is not too far away from being 40, and I think he will retire soon.

[daggum]

He keeps talking about having made investments and that he could retire anytime showed me that his drive, killer instinct and passion for the sports is not there anymore. He is not too far away from being 40, and I think he will retire soon.

wilder prob invested in ********

[Drigo]

Beeter not to comeback DeontayWilder. You are finished fighter. Better to mind your health because may be next time you might end up in coma...

[Joseph]

I don't rate Wilder, but I don't hate him, either. He's not good but he's been in some fun scraps. Hope he enjoys retirement if that's the case.

[megh50]

ko ratio against opponents who were in the top 10(ring) at the time of the fight


ali-50% 18 out of 36
louis-75% 24 out of 32
liston-63% 7 out of 11
patterson-35% 7 out of 20
foreman-58% 7 out of 12
holmes-52% 12 out of 23
marciano-80% 8 out of 10
bowe-60% 3 out of 5
lewis-53% 8 out of 15
fury-60% 3 out of 5
vitali klit-75% 6 out of 8
wlad klit-53% 7 out of 13
joshua-50% 5 out of 10
tyson-53% 8 out of 15
holyfield-30% 6 out of 20
wilder-28% 2 out of 7

hes not with any of those guys. only one he's close to in percentage is holyfield who went to decision the last 8 fights against top 10 guys cause he was 40 plus and holyfield still has way more total kos against top 10 fighters.


10 title defenses but he only beat one opponent in the top 10. ever heard the phrase quality over quantity?

he begged for fights in the media...but what happened when the contracts were in front of him? 100 million for the fight he begged for? what more can you ask for oh wait he turned it down. he also blatantly ducked whyte and a huge payday with help from the wbc to get him more pbc bums. they just skipped right over him to install a pbc bum as mandatory. i dont know one fighter that he actually tried to fight that was good that turned him down. can you give me details of any contracts he offered to them? it seems to me he wanted to portray the "ill take on all challengers" tough guy persona but it was just a persona. performance art if you will.

Ok, I see what you're doing. Your list is based on the timing of when he fought the fighters w.r.t their presence on the list. I'm not sure this is the best way to compare them, simply because the difficulty in making some fights would have affected some fighters more than others on the list.

Another way to look at it would be to assume that once a fighter makes that list...(which is the Ring top ten for that year), they are of the highest quality in that era, and therefore considered a worthy opponent.

In the last 12 years - 2011 - 2023, there have been 37 persons that made the ring magazine list. My source is Wikipedia.

Here are the names
Adam Kownacki
Alexander Dimitrenko
Alexander Povetkin
Andy Ruiz Jr
Anthony Joshua
Bermane Stiverne
Bryant Jennings
Chris Arreola
David Haye
Denis Boytsov
Deontay Wilder
Dillian Whyte
Dominic Breazeale
Eddie Chambers
Filip Hrgovic
Frank Sanchez
Jared Anderson
Jarrell Miller
Joe Joyce
Joseph Parker
Kubrat Pulev
Luis Ortiz
Michael Hunter
Mike Perez
Odlanier Solis
Oleksandr Usyk
Oscar Rivas
Otto Wallin
Robert Helenius
Ruslan Chagaev
Tomasz Adamek
Tyson Fury
Vitali Klitschko
Vyacheslav Glazkov
Wladimir Klitschko
Zhilei Zhang

Of this list, Wilder fought 7 different fighters which are

1. Ortiz x 2
2. Stiverne x 2
3. Fury x 3
4. Parker x 1
5. Areola x 1
6. Helenius x 1
7. Breazeale x 1

For a total of 11 fights against 7 opponents. He won 6 of those 11 fights by knockout, 6/11 or ~55%. He knocked out 5 /7 opponents he faced, so his knockout % is ~72%. In terms of knockdowns, He knocked down 6/7 which is ~86%

Let's compare that with AJ

He's fought 9 different opponents so far in 11 fights and knocked out 6 of them, which is 6/11 or ~55%. He knocked out 6/9 or 67%. In terms of knockdowns - add one to that, so he's knocked down opponents in 7/9 which is ~78%

Let's compare that with Fury -

He's fought 4 on the list in 6 fights, with 3 knockouts or 50%. He's knocked out 2 or the 4 he's faced which is 50% and his knockdowns are the same at 50%

These are the top 3 of this era. I would say Wilder so far has been the best of this era from the standpoint of knocking out top opponents he's faced.

With respect to the others on the list, I believe you will see similar statistics.

Let's compare with Mike Tyson - 1985 - 2005. There were 61 fighters on his list

He fought 17 fights against 15 listed opponents. He had 10 knockouts in 17 fights for ~58%. He knocked out 9 of the 15 opponents for ~60%, and knocked down 10 of 15 men he faced for 66%

Here is the comparison

	No of fights	Knockout % in fights	% of Opponents knocked out	% of opponents knocked down
Wilder	11	55%	72%	86%
AJ	11	55%	67%	78%
Fury	6	50%	50%	50%
Tyson	17	58%	60%	66%

Bottom line is Wilder compares favourably with the best of his era and also in Tyson's era

[IRONCHINHAGLER]

They all fought the same C level of opposition as they progressed through their careers. Are you saying their records are padded as well?. Wilder's ability to finish anyone but the highest level is right up there with the likes of Lewis, Klitschko, Tyson, Holyfield, Foreman, Liston. His first round knockouts are also similar to theirs. The guy also has 10 title defenses and was an avoided fighter for years as he begged for the best fights. What we saw yesterday was a 38 year old Wilder who had one 2 min fight in two years, against a good fighter in Parker. Wilder was rusty, old and between styles against an inform active fighter, who was a stylistic nightmare and who sparred the man who beat him arguably three times to prepare.

”Begged for the best fights?? Seriously? Ortiz was a pbc fighter and Wilder waited years to fight Him when he was past it. Too big of a risk after he brutally ko Jennings. Dillon White was #1 ranked for years and literally begged for a shot at Wilder. I remember the Showtime commentators questioning Wilders weak opposition as He fought European cans in endless voluntary defenses that amounted to nothing but “showcase” fights in his hometown. Never heard Wilder call out Wlad. While Aj is knocking out Wlad and taking out undefeated legit top 10 fighters in their prime - White, Parker, Martin, Povetkin, Breazele, Wilder is still fighting stiffs 30 fights in. Never heard ANY boxing writer, commentator, analyst, insider say Wilder was “avoided”..:most stated He needed to step up and fight the top Hws.

[megh50]

”Begged for the best fights?? Seriously? Ortiz was a pbc fighter and Wilder waited years to fight Him when he was past it. Too big of a risk after he brutally ko Jennings. Dillon White was #1 ranked for years and literally begged for a shot at Wilder. I remember the Showtime commentators questioning Wilders weak opposition as He fought European cans in endless voluntary defenses that amounted to nothing but “showcase” fights in his hometown. Never heard Wilder call out Wlad. While Aj is knocking out Wlad and taking out undefeated legit top 10 fighters in their prime - White, Parker, Martin, Povetkin, Breazele, Wilder is still fighting stiffs 30 fights in. Never heard ANY boxing writer, commentator, analyst, insider say Wilder was “avoided”..:most stated He needed to step up and fight the top Hws.

Povetkin tested positive and the fight was cancelled. Ortiz tested positive, but Wilder still took him on. Wlad didn't want it and preferred to face Joshua for bigger money. Parker was approached for a unification and refused at the time when he was WBO champ, AJ has waited till he's gotten old, Ruiz didn't want it. He tried to make the biggest fights dude. Everybody else wanted Joshua at the time and still do...fair enough, but Wilder was too high risk. Whyte, you could say he was avoided, but I think that was financial.