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[ShoulderRoll]

Dude, nobody was clamoring for Ward versus Bivol or Beterbiev in 2017.

175 was about Ward, Kovalev, and Stevenson at that point

Nobody even cared about those dudes & Ward knew Stevenson was holding his belt hostage & wouldn't even fight Kovalev, so he wasn't going to fight him.

Bivol and Beterbiev were the top contenders in their respective alphabet orgs in 2017. Ward retired rather than fight them.

Canelo, who isn’t even a real light heavyweight, fought Bivol and made an offer for a rematch as well.

It is what it is.

[The D3vil]

Bivol and Beterbiev were the top contenders in their respective alphabet orgs in 2017. Ward retired rather than fight them.

Canelo, who isn’t even a real light heavyweight, fought Bivol and made an offer for a rematch as well.

It is what it is.

You totally overrated those guys' fame in 2017

Most of the public didn't know Bivol in 2022, which is why Canelo cherry-picked him instead of fighting Beterbiev

in 2017, they were just random ass Eastern Euro contenders.

Kovalev was universally considered P4P top 5 in the world & he fought him twice, but yes, I'm sure he was shaking in his boots from two unknown, untested, Russian guys who weren't as good (at the time) as the guy he beat twice

[ShoulderRoll]

You totally overrated those guys' fame in 2017

Most of the public didn't know Bivol in 2022, which is why Canelo cherry-picked him instead of fighting Beterbiev

in 2017, they were just random ass Eastern Euro contenders.

Kovalev was universally considered P4P top 5 in the world & he fought him twice, but yes, I'm sure he was shaking in his boots from two unknown, untested, Russian guys who weren't as good (at the time) as the guy he beat twice

Ward retired rather than defend against either of his top contenders.

And Canelo has the best resume in the sport, with a history of taking tough fights when he didn’t have to. Such as Trout and Lara. There’s no reason to think he wouldn’t have fought Ward.

[The D3vil]

Ward retired rather than defend against either of his top contenders.

And Canelo has the best resume in the sport, with a history of taking tough fights when he didn’t have to. Such as Trout and Lara. There’s no reason to think he wouldn’t have fought Ward.

LMAO, like Lara & Trout were ever P4P top 5 fighters?

Kovalev was & guess who beat him twice?

That's right, Andre Ward.

If Dre didn't want to fight those guys who claim, he could've easily done what Canelo did when he didn't want to fight prime-Andrade or GGG or Charlo, which is MOVE UP.

And Dre retired because he beat the by far best guy in the division TWICE & Stevenson was never going to fight him or anybody else who was a real threat.

But yes, he was so afraid of fighting guys who weren't anywhere near a P4P list at the time.

[ShoulderRoll]

LMAO, like Lara & Trout were ever P4P top 5 fighters?

Kovalev was & guess who beat him twice?

That's right, Andre Ward.

If Dre didn't want to fight those guys who claim, he could've easily done what Canelo did when he didn't want to fight prime-Andrade or GGG or Charlo, which is MOVE UP.

And Dre retired because he beat the by far best guy in the division TWICE & Stevenson was never going to fight him or anybody else who was a real threat.

But yes, he was so afraid of fighting guys who weren't anywhere near a P4P list at the time.

The claim is that Canelo is the one who wouldn’t fight Ward.

But he’s shown throughout his career that he’ll fight anyone. Even low risk, high reward guys like Trout and Lara and Bivol when he didn’t have to.

[The D3vil]

The claim is that Canelo is the one who wouldn’t fight Ward.

But he’s shown throughout his career that he’ll fight anyone. Even low risk, high reward guys like Trout and Lara and Bivol when he didn’t have to.

Stop. He waited out GGG, Andrade, and is currently running the clock out with Benavidez, hoping he'll move up

He even used the excuse that he "didn't want to fight another Mexican", as if we didn't watch him fight Chavez Jr. some years ago.

Ward cleaned out 168 & then beat the boogie man at 175 2x.

You're claiming he was scared of dudes who weren't as good as the dude he beat

[ShoulderRoll]

Stop. He waited out GGG, Andrade, and is currently running the clock out with Benavidez, hoping he'll move up

He even used the excuse that he "didn't want to fight another Mexican", as if we didn't watch him fight Chavez Jr. some years ago.

Ward cleaned out 168 & then beat the boogie man at 175 2x.

You're claiming he was scared of dudes who weren't as good as the dude he beat

Stop what? Trout was the definition of high risk low reward at that point, having ruined a money fight for Canelo by beating Cotto. And no one wanted to face Erislandy Lara before and for years after Canelo fought him. Bivol’s quality (and lack of star power) goes without saying.

If Canelo had no problem taking those fights why in the world would he not fight Andre Ward?

[The D3vil]

Stop what? Trout was the definition of high risk low reward at that point, having ruined a money fight for Canelo by beating Cotto. And no one wanted to face Erislandy Lara before and for years after Canelo fought him. Bivol’s quality (and lack of star power) goes without saying.

If Canelo had no problem taking those fights why in the world would he not fight Andre Ward?

You're talking about early 20s Canelo fighting talented fighters IN HIS WEIGHT CLASS at the beginning of his career

Versus him fighting the almost consensus P4P #1 fighter in the sport, who at that point was 3 weight classes above him.

There's no way in hell he was going to skip over GGG at 160 to move up to 175 to fight the #1 P4P fighter in the world.

He didn't want to fight GGG at 160, claiming 160 was too big for him, hence the term "Caneloweight", yet he was going to go all the way up to 175 to fight the much bigger Andre Ward?

It makes ZERO since.

And we all knew he fought Bivol because he misjudged how good he was because of his low profile and lack of activity prior to their fight

It was a cherrypick gone wrong

If he truly wanted a test, he would've fought Beterbiev, who everybody knows is a monster.

[ShoulderRoll]

You're talking about early 20s Canelo fighting talented fighters IN HIS WEIGHT CLASS at the beginning of his career

Versus him fighting the almost consensus P4P #1 fighter in the sport, who at that point was 3 weight classes above him.

There's no way in hell he was going to skip over GGG at 160 to move up to 175 to fight the #1 P4P fighter in the world.

He didn't want to fight GGG at 160, claiming 160 was too big for him, hence the term "Caneloweight", yet he was going to go all the way up to 175 to fight the much bigger Andre Ward?

It makes ZERO since.

And we all knew he fought Bivol because he misjudged how good he was because of his low profile and lack of activity prior to their fight

It was a cherrypick gone wrong

If he truly wanted a test, he would've fought Beterbiev, who everybody knows is a monster.

So what’s your excuse for Canelo being willing to rematch Bivol just a few months ago?

[The D3vil]

So what’s your excuse for Canelo being willing to rematch Bivol just a few months ago?

He wanted to rematch him with no stakes, that's why Bivol turned him down

He wants to fight for Bivol's belts, so when he loses he still gets to be the king at 168.

Bivol wanted to fight for HIS belts, since he won the fight, but Canelo won't take the risk of being beltless.

If he loses, "he's too small, that's not his natural weight class"

If he wins it's, "look at how Canelo beat the much bigger guy".

Win/Win for him.