Comments Thread For: Devin Haney: I Should Be Fighter Of The Year; My Dad Deserves Trainer Of The Year

[SteveM]

Him vacating 135 undisputed (which is what makes it to where it can never be taken from him) was 2023.

Him defending against mandatory Loma instead of getting stripped like Crawford, before vacating was 2023.

Him pitching a shutout against 140 WBC champion Prograis was in 2023.


So..."At The End Of The Day", can't argue what he's done in 2023 compared to any of his boxer peers. And no, I don't give credit for one great fight as surpassing those achievements which is what everyone else is doing.

Everyone claiming that Inoue (who I have P4P by the way) surpassing it by beating Tapoles? F'n Tapoles who's been STOPPED twice? Seriously?

Claiming Crawford surpassing it by beating Spence - when that's his ONLY big win at 147 and he ducked his mandatory, resulting in him getting stripped?

Claiming Benavidez surpassed it by beating two guys - both of which NSB repeatedly called "overhyped bums"?


It's like...come on people.

In what world is vacating titles something factored into fighter if the year?

If Haney had wide decisioned Loma like he did Prograis then he'd be my fighter of the year but I scored that a draw or razor thin victory either way.

[MulaKO]

First of all, Haney had SIGNED to fight Prograis before the WBC ruled AND he was still “Champion in Recess”, meaning he could change his mind and get the belt back, plus was still regarded as undisputed by the WBC. That’s what happened with Pacquiao when he got stripped for chasing Cryan. Shakur wasn’t interim or “Gold” or whatever, he had to fight for vacant, just like Ugas did.

Crawford has not committed to fighting anyone. He just talks about fighting lightweights and super middleweights while refusing to fight welterweights. It’s completely different. IBF’s stripping renders Crawford no longer undisputed, because Boots was interim. Boots already earned the title AND defended it by that point.

As far as Tapales it’s not even about being a weak champion. Prograis was never stopped and before Haney, never lost via shutout. Tapales has been STOPPED TWICE, that’s the point. If Inoue stops him, it’d be “well yeah, he’s been stopped twice before”.

Boy your hate is so see through it’s impossible to not see
Crawford is tied up by your boy Spence , who he beat convincingly and broke your heart
Rematch has been ordered but you pretend it hasn’t been
Let Bud beat your Spence again and then you can start your hate machine , again
He is tied up by that contract , right ?

[Combat Talk Radio]

In what world is vacating titles something factored into fighter if the year?

A guy who willingly vacates because he defended the undisputed at least once and is ready to move up is regarded more highly than a guy who never defended undisputed - nay, refused to defend them - and got stripped in ignominy.

If you defend your undisputed, you are validating that you truly deserved to be.

Do you deny this?

[SteveM]

A guy who willingly vacates because he defended the undisputed at least once and is ready to move up is regarded more highly than a guy who never defended undisputed - nay, refused to defend them - and got stripped in ignominy.

If you defend your undisputed, you are validating that you truly deserved to be.

Do you deny this?

pure psycho babble - you're tying yourself in knots to defend some agenda

We'll soon see who is fighter of the year. It likely will be Inoue if he blows out Tapales to go undisputed again after beating Fulton who many thought would be a step too far. If he struggles with Tapales it's a toss up between Crawford and Haney. Benavidez has had a good year but won't win it.

[Combat Talk Radio]

pure psycho babble - you're tying yourself in knots to defend some agenda

We'll soon see who is fighter of the year. It likely will be Inoue if he blows out Tapales to go undisputed again after beating Fulton who many thought would be a step too far. If he struggles with Tapales it's a toss up between Crawford and Haney. Benavidez has had a good year but won't win it.

So let's get this straight.

If a guy gets undisputed by beating scrubs and then vacates without defending, to you, that's equivalent to someone who beat Top 5's to get undisputed and defended it?

Ok

[SteveM]

So let's get this straight.

If a guy gets undisputed by beating scrubs and then vacates without defending, to you, that's equivalent to someone who beat Top 5's to get undisputed and defended it?

Ok

at this point i've no idea who you're talking about - you've tied me in knots as well as yourself. Just name names and I can [try] to respond - obviously you're talking about Haney - but who else?

[Combat Talk Radio]

at this point i've no idea who you're talking about - you've tied me in knots as well as yourself. Just name names and I can [try] to respond - obviously you're talking about Haney - but who else?

It’s a simple question. You just refuse to answer the truth - bottom line is, a successfully DEFENDING champion is higher regarded than one who doesn’t defend or gets wrecked on the first defense. Because them becoming champion could be a fluke rather than evidence of their quality. But you can’t know if they’re legit until they’re tested as champion.

Case-in-point: Kambosos.

[Combat Talk Radio]

You said Benavidez hasn’t been active enough, but he has the same number of wins in 2023 as Devin Haney.

One of them was defending against Top 5s, the other was defending against guys NSB said were overhyped bums.

Stop ducking what you guys said and address that. Why did you call those two bums?

[SteveM]

It’s a simple question. You just refuse to answer the truth - bottom line is, a successfully DEFENDING champion is higher regarded than one who doesn’t defend or gets wrecked on the first defense. Because them becoming champion could be a fluke rather than evidence of their quality. But you can’t know if they’re legit until they’re tested as champion.

Case-in-point: Kambosos.

This is all boxing lore according to Leicesterage. There is no written set of rules for being FOY - as far as I know about and if you think different then post a link. Kambosos was never in the running to get FOY as far as I know - and if he was then somebody had a screw loose.

Haney's fight against Lomachenko will be looked at as a tough fight which he squeaked by. I don't think he gets extra credit because it was a voluntary or because it was his first title defence and I most definitely won't give any credit for giving up titles. You give him extra credit I don't. I'm just comparing his fights and how he did in them against other fighters and how they did in their fights.

I'm done with this now - I'm really not THAT invested in who is FOY or p4P no.1 - I've got my own ideas and that's it - there's no right or wrong about this.

[alexnation]

Crawford or Inoue deserve it more. I am hesitant between these two but Haney doesn't make the cut this time