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[wrecksracer]

Toney won titles in 3 weight classes, Lineal in 1 and undisputed in zero and unified in zero.

Usyk has won titles in 2 weight classes, Lineal in one, undisputed in two and unified in two.

Usyk is a definitely going to be a first ballot Hall of Famer, Toney was not a first ballot Hall of famer.

They are completely different calibers of fighter.

Being undisputed is directly related to who you beat. Huck, Gassiev, and Bredis aren't great fighters. Neither is Bellew. The good news is, if he beats Tyson Fury, that would be a great achievement. It would be the first legit HOF level fighter he has beaten. Toney's record is a who's who of boxing. I see a ton of hall of famers on it. You really can't compare the quality of opposition, can you?

[IronDanHamza]

Yeah, James Toney won titles across a wider range of weight classes against tougher fighters than Usyk has fought. There is definitely a difference in the quality of competition. It's true that Usyk beat a weak era of cruiserweights, and the most beatable heavyweight.

Toney won titles in 3 weight classes, Lineal in 1 and undisputed in zero and unified in zero.

Usyk has won titles in 2 weight classes, Lineal in one, undisputed in two and unified in two.

Usyk is a definitely going to be a first ballot Hall of Famer, Toney was not a first ballot Hall of famer.

They are completely different calibers of fighter.

[wrecksracer]

Yes, he is. Uysk's CW era is better than Holyfield's and he cleaned it out.

But this isn't about Holyfield who is an ATG, it's about Toney who's not.

You're comparing Toney to fighters who are a different level to him.

Yeah, James Toney won titles across a wider range of weight classes against tougher fighters than Usyk has fought. There is definitely a difference in the quality of competition. It's true that Usyk beat a weak era of cruiserweights, and the most beatable heavyweight.

[IronDanHamza]

You think Usyk is a better Cruiserweight than Holyfield? Holyfield beat some real fighters at Cruiserweight. Not schlubs like Huck, Breidis , and Gassiev.

Yes, he is. Uysk's CW era is better than Holyfield's and he cleaned it out.

But this isn't about Holyfield who is an ATG, it's about Toney who's not.

You're comparing Toney to fighters who are a different level to him.

[wrecksracer]

Toney's not an ATG He didn't even get into the HOF on the first Ballot.

Uysk is far and beyond the greatest Crusierweight of all time, now a legit unfied Heavyweight Champion.

Two totally different levels of fighters and the chances of Toney even being competitive with Usyk is entirely zero.

You think Usyk is a better Cruiserweight than Holyfield? Holyfield beat some real fighters at Cruiserweight. Not schlubs like Huck, Breidis , and Gassiev.

[IronDanHamza]

James Toney: ATG. Usyk:HOF

Toney's not an ATG He didn't even get into the HOF on the first Ballot.

Uysk is far and beyond the greatest Crusierweight of all time, now a legit unfied Heavyweight Champion.

Two totally different levels of fighters and the chances of Toney even being competitive with Usyk is entirely zero.

[wrecksracer]

Not particularly. Jirov is one of the weakest title holders in history and he won a close fight with him. Good win but hardly something to write home about.

Comparing him to Usyk is not a fair comparison there are two different caliber of fighter.

James Toney: ATG. Usyk:HOF

[IronDanHamza]

Beating Jirov for the Cruiserweight championship wasn't an achievement for Toney? It's considered one of the best Cruiserweight fights ever.

Not particularly. Jirov is one of the weakest title holders in history and he won a close fight with him. Good win but hardly something to write home about.

Comparing him to Usyk is not a fair comparison there are two different caliber of fighter.

[wrecksracer]

Precisely. Toney is a proven cheat, AJ isn't.


Obviously Usyk 100 times out of 100. They are two totally different levels of a fighter #1, #2 Toney had 1 fight at Cruiserweight where he had a close fight with one of the weakest title holders there historically whereas Usyk cleaned out the best Crusier era there's been.

It's not a fair comparison. Toney only ever achieved anything notable at 160 and 168 and even that is few and far between really.

Beating Jirov for the Cruiserweight championship wasn't an achievement for Toney? It's considered one of the best Cruiserweight fights ever.

[IronDanHamza]

That bodybuilder physique is pretty su****ious. Yeah, it's speculation. Just like Evander Holyfield. He never peeed hot, either. Good point about Toney and Usyk. Who would you pick to win, the Toney that fought Jirov or the Usyk that fought Breidis?

Precisely. Toney is a proven cheat, AJ isn't.


Obviously Usyk 100 times out of 100. They are two totally different levels of a fighter #1, #2 Toney had 1 fight at Cruiserweight where he had a close fight with one of the weakest title holders there historically whereas Usyk cleaned out the best Crusier era there's been.

It's not a fair comparison. Toney only ever achieved anything notable at 160 and 168 and even that is few and far between really.