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  • #31
    Originally posted by h2k View Post
    nice move by garcia.
    More a case of Duarte didnt know what to do and the ref broke any momentum he had saying he hitting his back, he could have just pummeled the shoulder, left hooks, right overhands and under the elbow, Duarte did none of that, Ryans a little frail just smashing the shoulder would have done him wonders.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Roadblock View Post

      Its not James , Ryan said himself he told him to stop doing that sht youre not Mayweather, once the bell rings the fighters are on there own and they often go against what they trained for, fighters just slip into fight mode and be they don't have the discipline to follow the gameplan, fans blame the trainer for failings and credit the fighters for winning.
      What do you mean it wasn’t James? James is his trainer, right? What’s James even doing then?

      Anyway, I know what you’re saying isn’t true, about Garcia being scared of the power. You must have forgotten about the Tank fight. Remember how Garcia fought Tank? He was extremely aggressive. He wasn’t doing a shoulder roll. He wasn’t doing anything like we saw in the Duarte fight. Yes, he wasn’t with Reynoso, which is probably why he lost as he did, but he wasn’t with Derek James either. Tank punches harder than Duarte.

      The only thing different is Derek James.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by bballchump11 View Post

        If you listen to Ryan in the post fight conference, you'll hear how concerned he was about his power. I think your concerns have more to do with the opponent than the trainer.
        What do you mean it wasn’t james? James is his trainer, right?What’s james even doing then?

        Anyway, I know what you are saying is not true, about Garcia being scared of the power. You must have forgotten about the Tank fight. Remember how Garcia fought Tank? He was extremely aggressive. He was not using a shoulder roll. He was not doing anything like we saw in the Duarte fight. Yes, he was not with Reynoso, which is probably why he lost as he did, but he was not with Derek James either. Tank punches harder than Duarte.

        The only thing different is Derek James.
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        • #34
          yeah and honestly, watching the fight live, i did not catch on to that... i didnt know he was trying to do the shoulder roll lol.. i thought he was just being a scary katt!!

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Cypocryphy View Post

            What do you mean it wasnât James? James is his trainer, right? Whatâs James even doing then?

            Anyway, I know what youâre saying isnât true, about Garcia being scared of the power. You must have forgotten about the Tank fight. Remember how Garcia fought Tank? He was extremely aggressive. He wasnât doing a shoulder roll. He wasnât doing anything like we saw in the Duarte fight. Yes, he wasnât with Reynoso, which is probably why he lost as he did, but he wasnât with Derek James either. Tank punches harder than Duarte.

            The only thing different is Derek James.
            The fighter didn't follow instructions, did you watch the press conference where Ryan explained what he was doing and why?
            bballchump11 bballchump11 likes this.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Roadblock View Post

              The fighter didn't follow instructions, did you watch the press conference where Ryan explained what he was doing and why?
              Nope. I’ll watch it. I accidentally replied to you when I meant to reply to someone else. I thought I had deleted the post.

              Anyway I’ll watch it.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Cypocryphy View Post

                What do you mean it wasnât james? James is his trainer, right?Whatâs james even doing then?

                Anyway, I know what you are saying is not true, about Garcia being scared of the power. You must have forgotten about the Tank fight. Remember how Garcia fought Tank? He was extremely aggressive. He was not using a shoulder roll. He was not doing anything like we saw in the Duarte fight. Yes, he was not with Reynoso, which is probably why he lost as he did, but he was not with Derek James either. Tank punches harder than Duarte.

                The only thing different is Derek James.
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                I'll let you listen for yourself. He literally covers all of this.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by bballchump11 View Post

                  I'll let you listen for yourself. He literally covers all of this.

                  Thanks for posting this. I’m listening to it now. So far he said he was doing exactly as James told him to do, such as moving around the ring. That’s when Ryan looked as if he were hurt and on his bicycle. That’s exactly what I’m talking about!

                  Anyway, I’ll keep watching ….

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by bballchump11 View Post

                    I'll let you listen for yourself. He literally covers all of this.

                    Okay. So he said Derek didn’t tell him to use the shoulder roll. But where did that come from? I’ve never seen Ryan fight that way until the other night. It still does not change my opinion that he looked a lot better training with Reynoso.

                    I just find it out that he was using the shell defense but is completely incapable of catching and shooting, which is the whole point of fighting that way or one of the main reasons.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Cypocryphy View Post

                      Thanks for posting this. Iâm listening to it now. So far he said he was doing exactly as James told him to do, such as moving around the ring. Thatâs when Ryan looked as if he were hurt and on his bicycle. Thatâs exactly what Iâm talking about!

                      Anyway, Iâll keep watching â¦.
                      Yeah and he mentioned how he didn't think Tank hit that hard and how Duarte's hands were like bricks. Also Tank was moving around a lot while Duarte was coming after him, which resulted in Ryan's movement.

                      Do I actually think Duarte hits harder? No, but I'm just explaining why Ryan reacted the way he did.

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