Floyd Mayweather Should Fight Shane Mosley, Says Arum

[jrosales13]

So you're saying DLH is still the draw today???

I know the question was not for me. But, I want to answer lol. IMO honestly if Oscar fights Chavez Jr on PPV I think it would do surprisingly great numbers. And, if that fight takes place in Estadio Azteca in Mexico it could easily draw over 25,000 fans in attendance.

[Pullcounter]

See the reason why I think he would retire if he fougth Mosley next. Is that I think he is running for office like around May or June? If he losses the elections he probably will comeback to boxing. But, if he wins the elections I don't think he would fight again. So pretty much IMO he is fighting Cotto win, lose, or draw fight one more fight. And, then run for office.

And, by the way the whole Cotto-Shane argument. I just want to say for the record I scored the fight a draw, 114-114, 6rds a piece.

let's hope so.... cause cotto is gonna be a tough fight and mosley ain't gonna be either... by the time pac get through the both of them, he will have aged 20 years.

[handler000]

[QUOTE=Pullcounter;6308695]wrong wrong wrong....

taken from http://www.boxrec.com/media/index.ph...tic_Commission



I'm pretty sure NYSAC has updated their rules since 1929. We all know they use 3 judges today NOT 2. Can you at least find a 21st century link? LMAO.

[handler000]

Floyd Mayweather is gonna get left in the wind because of the fact that his balls are the size of a cat knip flake. That ***** ass mofo is fake. Will you please fight Shane Mosley sweet cake?

Explain to me how FMJ is going to be left in the wind when HE is the biggest money fight for anybody between 140-154?

[TOBYLEE1]

the words "I lost" never came out of his mouth



the punchstats are objective.

your perspective is subjective.

what should I trust? objective stats or your subjective commentary?


how am I wrong? check the numbers in the link of my sig!!!! did I miscount? prove me wrong with facts, not your opinion.


yeah, sometimes I have fun; but that doesn't make me wrong... just look at the stats in the link of my sig... forget the window dressing... that's just to *** w/ cotto stans (because they try to *** w/ me)... look at the stats!!!!


thank you... you just proved my point.


wrong!!!! cotto was more accurate; but mosley landed more power punches... look at the link in the sig!!!


the punchstats are objective...

in almost every round mosley landed more power punches than cotto did. based on clean effective punching (which is the focus of good scoring) mosley won more rounds than cotto did.



bwahahahahah!!!! I can tell you don't understand....

I'm not talking about total punch stats! I'm talking about rounds!!!!

mosley won more rounds becuase in most rounds he was landing more power punches than cotto.

using your analogy:

round: 1 2 3
mosley 30 10 10
cotto 15 15 15

according to those stats.... mosley definitely won round 1 but cotto won rounds 2 and 3...

that's what I"m trying to say!!! look at the rounds not the total stats!!!!!

if you look at the stats in my sig and in the link, you will see that mosley took more rounds with his powerpunching.

I do like to debate on fights and find it amusing when people go against my picks. But there is a way of doing it without resorting to trying to degrade the other guy. I never said that my perspective is correct, its just my opinion and how I percieve what I'm looking. I do not pretend that I know it all, if you rooting for the other guy and he wins no matter how many times we debate on it I'll give you Kudos.

I love boxing and been in it for many many years and respect all fighters and fans alike. I can have fun with this and trust me I don't take it seriously but there is a line and no matter all the name calling here I don't cross it in respect of the true fans that appreciate the sport

[Dave Rado]

wrong wrong wrong.... NO WHERE DOES IT SAY 25% TO EACH!!!!

Oh JESUS! Why are you getting so hung up on a complete red herring? Do you really have no brains? The percentages are completely irrelevant to the points I was making. Here is my post again with the percentages taken out - and its meaning is not changed one iota:

Boxing never has been, and never will be, scored on punch stats. It's scored on:

* Clean Punching
* Effective Aggression
* Ring Generalship
* Defense

Even the part that is given on the basis of clean punching is not scored on punch stats, because punch stats do not measure how clean a punch is, nor how powerful a punch is. In Compubox stats, anything that is not a jab counts as a "power punch", even if the punch carries no more power than a five year old girl patting a dog's head - and even if it does not land cleanly.

Furthermore, the stats are not objective, they are input by some guy pushing a button when he thinks he sees a punch land. If a punch is blocked but that guy thinks it landed, then it appears in the stats. If a punch lands but that guy missed seeing it, then it does not appear in the stats. It is every bit as subjective as the judges scores are.

So either you're being incredibly disingenious or you simply do not understand boxing.

Talk about red herrings. The percentages are completely besides the point. Jesus!!!!

CLEAN PUNCHING IS LISTED FIRST BECAUSE THAT IS THE PRIMARY CRITERIA FOR SCORING A ROUND!!!!

No, it's the most important out of four factors that jointly determine the scoring, but it's still only one of four major criteria - it is NOT the sole criteria; and in any case, as I said originally but you clearly didn't bother to read my post properly, the punch stats have absolutely nothing to do with how clean the punches are or how powerful they are, so they are completely irrelevant in the context of how the fight is scored. And they are not objective, because the guy pushing the button frequently makes mistakes.

Punch stats do NOT measure how clean the punches are, nor do they measure of how powerful they are, and without measuring that, they are completely and utterly irrelevant in the context of scoring. And nor are they objective. Learn to read.

sorry buddy, but you must be going off PRican scoring criteria cause that bull**** don't fly in the USA.

Okay you've just given your motives away. You're just a racist, that's clearly what this is all about.

The percentages I quoted came from a US site, but where they came from is irrelevant and the percentages are irrelevant. They do not affect the points I was making one iota.

But what's the point in trying to discuss boxing with a racist?

so what, mosley still won...

No, he didn't. Cotto won. Look it up on boxrec. Judge Glenn Feldman scored it 115-113, judge: Wynn Kintz scored it 116-113, and judge: Peter Trematerra scored it 115-113, all to Cotto. And the result wasn't at all controversial at the time. Every single fight report at the time had it very close, and a majority scored it narrowly to Cotto.

mosley landed more punches in 6 rounds while cotto landed more punches in 5 rounds with the 12th a tie.

Jesus! Can't you read????

I'll repeat again.

Even the part that is given on the basis of clean punching is not scored on punch stats, because punch stats do not measure how clean a punch is, nor how powerful a punch is. In Compubox stats, anything that is not a jab counts as a "power punch", even if the punch carries no more power than a five year old girl patting a dog's head - and even if it does not land cleanly.

Furthermore, the stats are not objective, they are input by some guy pushing a button when he thinks he sees a punch land. If a punch is blocked but that guy thinks it landed, then it appears in the stats. If a punch lands but that guy missed seeing it, then it does not appear in the stats. It is every bit as subjective as the judges scores are.

[Pullcounter]

[QUOTE=handler000;6309312]

wrong wrong wrong....

taken from http://www.boxrec.com/media/index.ph...tic_Commission



I'm pretty sure NYSAC has updated their rules since 1929. We all know they use 3 judges today NOT 2. Can you at least find a 21st century link? LMAO.

post a link for the new rules then.... I dare you.

I do like to debate on fights and find it amusing when people go against my picks. But there is a way of doing it without resorting to trying to degrade the other guy. I never said that my perspective is correct, its just my opinion and how I percieve what I'm looking. I do not pretend that I know it all, if you rooting for the other guy and he wins no matter how many times we debate on it I'll give you Kudos.

I love boxing and been in it for many many years and respect all fighters and fans alike. I can have fun with this and trust me I don't take it seriously but there is a line and no matter all the name calling here I don't cross it in respect of the true fans that appreciate the sport

that's cool...

but mosley still got robbed in MSg

[Pullcounter]

Oh JESUS! Why are you getting so hung up on a complete red herring? Do you really have no brains? The percentages are completely irrelevant to the points I was making. Here is my post again with the percentages taken out - and it's meaning is not changed one iota:

Talk about red herrings. The percentages are completely besides the point. Jesus!!!!

doesn't matter my point still stands... clean punching is the main criteria

No, it's the most important out of four factors that jointly determine the scoring, but it's still only one of four major criteria,; and in any case, as I said originally but you clearly didn't bother to read my post properly,

yep, ITS THE MOST IMPORTANT!!!!

the punch stats have absolutely nothing to do with how clean the punches are or how powerful they are, so they are completely irrelevant in the context of how the fight is scored.

Even the part that is given on the basis of clean punching is not scored on punch stats, because punch stats do not measure how clean a punch is, nor how powerful a punch is. In Compubox stats, anything that is not a jab counts as a "power punch", even if the punch carries no more power than a five year old girl patting a dog's head - and even if it does not land cleanly.

the only dudes who really know how clean or how powerful a punch is are teh 2 guys in the ring. other than a KD we don't know.

in light of that, we must consider punch stats as supplemental.

And they are not objective, because the guy pushing the button frequently makes mistakes.

Punch stats do not measure of how clean the punches are, nor are they a measure of how powerful they are, and nor are they objective. Learn to read.

Furthermore, the stats are not objective, they are input by some guy pushing a button when he thinks he sees a punch land. If a punch is blocked but that guy thinks it landed, then it appears in the stats. If a punch lands but that guy missed seeing it, then it does not appear in the stats. It is every bit as subjective as the judges scores are.

you see a jab... you press the button. you see a jab miss, you push the button. etc... you know what a jab looks like when it hits. you know what a jab looks like when it misses. if most of the simpletons on this forum can do it, why can't compubox? is it 100% full proof? no... but its more objective than some cotto stan telling me "mosley lost cause he looked like this and that."

Okay you've just given your motives away. You're just a racist, that's clearly what this is all about.

lolz.... PRican isn't a race.

The percentages I quoted came from a US site, but where they came from is irrelevant and the percentages are irrelevant. They do not affect the points I was making one iota.

BWHHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!! where they came from isn't relevant, but the percentages are relevant???? BWAHHAHAHAAHAHH!!!

link please!!!

But what's the point in trying to discuss boxing with a racist?

again, Prican isn't a race. you can't be racists agaisnt something that isn't a race.

No, he didn't. Cotto won. Look it up on boxrec. Judge Glenn Feldman scored it 115-113, judge: Wynn Kintz scored it 116-113, and judge: Peter Trematerra scored it 115-113, all to Cotto. And the result wasn't at all controversial at the time. Every single fight report at the time had it very close, and a majority scored it narrowly to Cotto.

*cough* Home town decision. *cough*

[Iceta]

Explain to me how FMJ is going to be left in the wind when HE is the biggest money fight for anybody between 140-154?

Hear what Arum has got to say by going on the Philboxing web site. I'm telling you, if Floyd doesn't fight Mosley HBO is going to kick his cherry picking ass to the curb. It needs to happen at least after Mosley takes care of business with Floyd's WBC cousin Berto.

[Pullcounter]

Hear what Arum has got to say by going on the Philboxing web site. I'm telling you, if Floyd doesn't fight Mosley HBO is going to kick his cherry picking ass to the curb. It needs to happen at least after Mosley takes care of business with Floyd's WBC cousin Berto.

its sad to say this, but HBO has invested too much money into floyd now... they can't just dump him... but that's what they get when they throw all their eggs in one basket....

I wish HBO would nut up and make floyd fight mosley, but they will do whatever floyd wants or else floyd will retire again... its reallly pathetic.

I mean, I can understand DLH.... cause DLH fought the best and only ducked a few boxers.... but floyd... yeah, he's fought the best below 135 lbs.... but he's never gonna be as brave as dlh.