Floyd Mayweather Should Fight Shane Mosley, Says Arum

[Vasyl’s dad]

They're interesting. But they do not determine the result of a fight, and they are not objective.

Based on punch stats, Calzaghe beat Hopkins by miles and miles - but most of his shots did not land cleanly, and most of those that did carried very little power. Hence almost everyone agrees that the fight was extremely close, even though Calzaghe landed far more punches than Hopkins did (including landing far more so-called "power punches").

What's more the stats were greatly exaggerated in his favour, because he didn't land nearly as many punches as the stats said he did - a lot of them were blocked. But the guy pressing the button doesn't have the benefit of being able to watch it in slow motion.

I'm not disagreeing with you.

I'm just saying, its weird to have a system so flawed be the first thing the producers run to after the fight.

I'd just do away with it altogether as it really adds nothing to the sport.

[RoyJonesJrp4pno1]

Floyd will commit suicide if he ever lost


Mosley= High risk= Mayweather: "no"

Mayweather already offered roidsley 2 fights.

[jrosales13]

Mayweather already offered roidsley 2 fights.

Can I ask you a question. Has Floyd evered offered a fight with Shane while they were in the same weight-class in the the same time?

[Pullcounter]

Boxing never has been, and never will be, scored on punch stats. It's scored on:

* Clean Punching (25%)
* Effective Aggression (25%)
* Ring Generalship (25%)
* Defense (25%)

wrong wrong wrong....

taken from http://www.boxrec.com/media/index.ph...tic_Commission

The two judges shall be stationed at opposite sides of the ring. The decisions of the judges shall be based primarily on effectiveness, taking into account the following points:

* 1. A clean, forceful hit, landed on any vulnerable part of the body above the belt should be credited in proportion to its damaging effect.
* 2. Aggressiveness is next in importance and points should be awarded to the contestant who sustains the action of a round by the greatest number of skillful attacks.
* 3. Defensive work is relatively important and points should be given for cleverly avoiding or blocking a blow.
* 4. Points should be awarded where ring generalship is con****uous. The comprises such points as the ability to quickly grasp and take advantage of every opportunity offered, the capacity to cope with all kinds of situations which may arise; to foresee and neutralize an opponent’’s method of attack; to force an opponent to adopt a style of boxing at which he is not particularly skillful.

NO WHERE DOES IT SAY 25% TO EACH!!!!

CLEAN PUNCHING IS LISTED FIRST BECAUSE THAT IS THE PRIMARY CRITERIA FOR SCORING A ROUND!!!!

they are rules for the New York State Athletic Commission... but they are pretty uniform across the USA.

sorry buddy, but you must be going off PRican scoring criteria cause that bull**** don't fly in the USA.

Even the 25% that is given on the basis of clean punching is not scored on punch stats, because punch stats do not measure how clean a punch is, nor how powerful a punch is. In Compubox stats, anything that is not a jab counts as a "power punch", even if the punch carries no more power than a five year old girl patting a dog's head - and even if it does not land cleanly.

so what, mosley still won... mosley landed more punches in 6 rounds while cotto landed more punches in 5 rounds with the 12th a tie.

6 rounds > 5 rounds... if you give cotto the 12th for whatever reason its a draw, if you score the 12th a 10/10 round, mosley wins... if you score the 12th for mosley, mosley wins by 2 rounds...

bottomline... mosley still won

Furthermore, the stats are not objective, they are input by some guy pushing a button when he thinks he sees a punch land. If a punch is blocked but that guy thinks it landed, then it appears in the stats. If a punch lands but that guy missed seeing it, then it does not appear in the stats. It is every bit as subjective as the judges scores are.

So either you're being incredibly disingenious or you simply do not understand boxing.

what makes it objective is that someone is making an effort to count jabs, to count missed jabs, to count powerpunches, and to count missed power punches.... its not subject to interpretation. either a jab hit or it missed. either a power punch landed or it didn't. its obvious what a jab looks like. its obvious what a powerpunch looks like. that's not subject to interpretation.

but all I hear from cotto stans is... oh mosley didn't sound like he won... cotto sounds like he won.... it looked like cotto was this and that and it looked like mosley was this and that....

come on man!!!!

[jayblack]

I think you are not correct. he became a big draw only by fighting Oscar and Hatton, and the point could be made that they would have had huge PPV no matter who rhey fought. They had proven this time after time, whereas Mayweather couldn't draw "flies". Oscar was well past his best, probably by about 4-5 years, boxing once a year, with very spotty performances, banking on his great popularity, and Hatton had had his best career fight against Kostya Tzyu, when he won the title. Hatton couldn't compete with a natural welterweight, and, although being well behind on points against Mayweather, he was really K'Od by the ring post.

A good boxer, very good defensively, and excellent reflexes.....but NOT by any means a GREAT fighter.

DLH and Hatton may very well have done good numbers fighting someone else, but they did amazing numbers by fighting Floyd. as did JMM. All three had the best numbers of thier life by fighting Money May. Not by fighting Pacman. the fight against DLH broke all records. now DLH could have done well without Money May, but he woouold not have broken the record. Hatton and JMM best numbers of thier life. So without being biased, you be the judge.

[Vasyl’s dad]

DLH and Hatton may very well have done good numbers fighting someone else, but they did amazing numbers by fighting Floyd. as did JMM. All three had the best numbers of thier life by fighting Money May. Not by fighting Pacman. the fight against DLH broke all records. now DLH could have done well without Money May, but he woouold not have broken the record. Hatton and JMM best numbers of thier life. So without being biased, you be the judge.

I'm most certain every fighter DLH fought, did their best numbers with DLH, including Floyd.


Theres a reason why there was such a drastic dropoff in Mayweathers next fight where he didn't crack a mil.

Was there some point you were trying to make?

[Pullcounter]

I think if that does happen. Pac will retire after the Mosley fight and will never fight Floyd.

nah.... floyd will/might lower his demands so that pac gets a bigger slice of the pie and then pac will take the bait.

what floyd and his stans don't get is, its better to get pac now while pac is prime rather than wait for pac to fight cotto and mosley, cause these guys can not only drag pac into wars that take away years from pac's career, they can beat pac... and the longer floyd waits for pac to get ruined... the amount of money in the pot will decrease and the glory from winning will decrease.

[jrosales13]

nah.... floyd will/might lower his demands so that pac gets a bigger slice of the pie and then pac will take the bait.

what floyd and his stans don't get is, its better to get pac now while pac is prime rather than wait for pac to fight cotto and mosley, cause these guys can not only drag pac into wars that take away years from pac's career, they can beat pac... and the longer floyd waits for pac to get ruined... the amount of money in the pot will decrease and the glory from winning will decrease.

See the reason why I think he would retire if he fougth Mosley next. Is that I think he is running for office like around May or June? If he losses the elections he probably will comeback to boxing. But, if he wins the elections I don't think he would fight again. So pretty much IMO he is fighting Cotto win, lose, or draw fight one more fight. And, then run for office.

And, by the way the whole Cotto-Shane argument. I just want to say for the record I scored the fight a draw, 114-114, 6rds a piece.

[jayblack]

I'm most certain every fighter DLH fought, did their best numbers with DLH, including Floyd.


Theres a reason why there was such a drastic dropoff in Mayweathers next fight where he didn't crack a mil.

Was there some point you were trying to make?

So you're saying DLH is still the draw today???

[Iceta]

Floyd Mayweather is gonna get left in the wind because of the fact that his balls are the size of a cat knip flake. That ***** ass mofo is fake. Will you please fight Shane Mosley sweet cake?